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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:31 AM   #4741
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the land in Jeddah is not sandy as you think.it's mostly granite and lime stone, specially the area where the project is.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:37 AM   #4742
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the land in Jeddah is not sandy as you think.it's mostly granite and lime stone, specially the area where the project is.
I'm saying that earlier in this thread there were quotes/diagrams of how they would do this because they really really do have to for this building. Probably no one has ever put this much weight pressing down over so little area. My question is do we have any pictures of them doing this thing that they already said that they would do.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 01:23 PM   #4743
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It was explained a couple years ago that in order to build this huge thing in the desert sand they're going to use some kind of liquid to stiffen and reinforce the sand around the piles.

Are there any photos of them beginning this, or at least testing this process?
Are you confusing it with the liquid that is put on the dug holes so the sand walls around will not collapse and fill it again? A liquid that stays in while they put inside the steal cage caisons and when they pump the concrete in, being lighter it gets out of the hole, and then re-collected for reuse in the other pile?

That's common technique used during piling here, and it does not stiffen and reinforce the ground around piles at all.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 02:17 PM   #4744
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Kingdom+tower+jeddah-arab+saudi=1001meter von AL-malarati auf Flickr

jeddah can be proud of its new landmark and record breaker
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On Top level of Burj Khalifa Kingdom Tower is still wider
congrats Jedah and SA

can't wait to see this tower completed
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Old March 21st, 2013, 02:21 PM   #4745
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I was at the site today...
piling started on Saturday, few points are finished already (I saw 5 finished points ), three concrete maker towers are ready,,plus a new giant piling machine has arrived to the site this after noon, waiting for another two to arrive on the upcoming days..

more and detailed update will be provided by me on my next visit to the site on the 28th of March...

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...its always fascinating to me to see pictures like this... how they build such a humongeous structure out of nothing...

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Old March 21st, 2013, 03:02 PM   #4746
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wow, finally this tower move in to the UC section, Congrats
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Old March 21st, 2013, 05:05 PM   #4747
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I'm saying that earlier in this thread there were quotes/diagrams of how they would do this because they really really do have to for this building. Probably no one has ever put this much weight pressing down over so little area. My question is do we have any pictures of them doing this thing that they already said that they would do.
You've assumed and misunderstood the diaphragm wall (slurry wall) method of construction. The liquid is a bentonite (slurry) solution and is used to prevent the collapse of the surrounding earth. It is displaced by the concrete as its pumped in to the bottom of the trench. It acts in no way to strengthen the surrounding earth. You shouldn't assume things because it makes an ASS out of U and ME.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 05:07 PM   #4748
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I hope everything goes according to plan ....
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Old March 21st, 2013, 05:17 PM   #4749
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It was explained a couple years ago that in order to build this huge thing in the desert sand they're going to use some kind of liquid to stiffen and reinforce the sand around the piles.

Are there any photos of them beginning this, or at least testing this process?

What you are referring to is process called Chemical Grouting or Soil Stabilization. And indeed I reposted one guy's post from aqarcity mentioning about them conducting this at the beginning of 2012 in order to stiffen sandy ground. I can't guarantee to you whether this info is authentic or not but you can see pictures taken at the site at this time and indeed there are lots of tanks that could contain chemicals used in the process but they as much could contain slurry for test piles that were constructed at the same time so we can't be sure whether chemical grouting really took place or was just a rumor. But IMO if they really did this it probably have happen long time ago.

Here where it's worth to start reading (pictures of the site and page later links to the thorough explanation of the process):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...25819&page=155
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Old March 21st, 2013, 05:40 PM   #4750
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Sadly, this is a very bad design in many ways, from an architect's POV.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 05:42 PM   #4751
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Why do you think so? Can you explain yourself, please?
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Old March 21st, 2013, 06:06 PM   #4752
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Why do you think so? Can you explain yourself, please?
Sure!
1. In terms of aesthetics, we can add more grace:
a) by removing right angles (e.g., just by adding simple details)
b) putting accents on the height of the lower 2/3rds (or up to the disc) by adding vertical elements, or thoroughly organising the existing terraces
c) same thing by adding 1 more color of the glass or non-transparent vertical element onto each of 3 sides (now it looks just dull)
d) replacing the lonely annex disc with a bigger one, which would circumscribe the entire building (or adding 2 more discs)
2. In terms of usability, it should be made more practical (concerning the sloped sides)
3. In terms of safery, we can add some perimeter ledges, which would also handle light features and help to shape the building silhouette at night
4. Many more (i'm tired to to explain, but other mistakes seem obvious to me)... Just let them hire a smart architect!
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Old March 21st, 2013, 06:24 PM   #4753
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Sure!
1. In terms of aesthetics, we can add more grace:
a) by removing right angles (e.g., just by adding simple details)
b) putting accents on the height of the lower 2/3rds (or up to the disc) by adding vertical elements, or thoroughly organising the existing terraces
c) same thing by adding 1 more color of the glass or non-transparent vertical element onto each of 3 sides (now it looks just dull)
d) replacing the lonely annex disc with a bigger one, which would circumscribe the entire building (or adding 2 more discs)
2. In terms of usability, it should be made more practical (concerning the sloped sides)
3. In terms of safery, we can add some perimeter ledges, which would also handle light features and help to shape the building silhouette at night
4. Many more (i'm tired to to explain, but other mistakes seem obvious to me)... Just let them hire a smart architect!




I'm glad YOUR not the Architect on this project
Feel free to link us some of your work though...I'd love to see it
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Old March 21st, 2013, 06:48 PM   #4754
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I'm glad YOUR not the Architect on this project
Feel free to link us some of your work though...I'd love to see it
I understand u feeling hurt, if u is the one who "designed" this. If u have some involvement on this project, I can help - no problem. Just ask for that, I don't fall for manipulative allegations...

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Old March 21st, 2013, 07:03 PM   #4755
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I understand u feeling hurt, if u is the one who "designed" this. If u have some involvement on this project, I can help - no problem. Just ask for that, I don't fall for manipulative allegations...

Just as I thought, another opinion stopping by to give just that. You can move on now...I'm sure you've got a shit ton of buildings to design and architecture "firsts" to accomplish stacked a foot high on your desk
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Old March 21st, 2013, 08:23 PM   #4756
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Congratulation Jeddah
Will towering Red Sea
Somehow, based on rendering, i agree that the tower design should be shocking
But, i believe, when the tower finished, we will say "wow"
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Old March 21st, 2013, 08:49 PM   #4757
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c) same thing by adding 1 more color of the glass or non-transparent vertical element onto each of 3 sides (now it looks just dull)

That's the worst architectural advice i've ever read/heard

Congratulations Jeddah!!! This tower is AMAZING!
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:27 PM   #4758
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Sure!
1. In terms of aesthetics, we can add more grace:
a) by removing right angles (e.g., just by adding simple details)
b) putting accents on the height of the lower 2/3rds (or up to the disc) by adding vertical elements, or thoroughly organising the existing terraces
c) same thing by adding 1 more color of the glass or non-transparent vertical element onto each of 3 sides (now it looks just dull)
d) replacing the lonely annex disc with a bigger one, which would circumscribe the entire building (or adding 2 more discs)
2. In terms of usability, it should be made more practical (concerning the sloped sides)
3. In terms of safery, we can add some perimeter ledges, which would also handle light features and help to shape the building silhouette at night
4. Many more (i'm tired to to explain, but other mistakes seem obvious to me)... Just let them hire a smart architect!
you're definitely not an architect . and you hopefully will never be
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Old March 21st, 2013, 11:20 PM   #4759
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Ok, let's add some lightness to the discussion, and just bash the prince's appearance.

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The Owner of the Kingdom Tower and chairman of Kingdom Holding Company

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal



It was acceptable in the 80s
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Old March 21st, 2013, 11:30 PM   #4760
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Congrats people! hope to this monster rise over the near the future.
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