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Old March 24th, 2013, 08:44 AM   #4821
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Dubai was not even a city it was a desert or something
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I prefer it to the Burj khalifa even if both are pointless as hell and will never be filled.

That made me smile. What a classic! New York was not even a city it was forrest and rocks or something. Rome wasn't built in a day, or was it?

Here are two interesting links showing that in the last 10,000 years of mankind the world's largest cities were in the middle east 80% of the time... in the desert or something.

http://www.businessinsider.com/large...ry-2013-1?op=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ughout_history

by the way, the world trade center took ages and ages to fill to a half way acceptable level.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 10:10 AM   #4822
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Actually it is more likely that the opposite happen
Absolutely not !
According to the UK Meteorological Office and other foreign departments, climate will 10°C warmer in 50 years than currently.

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So tell me how empty it is, and whhich of the sections: the hotel, residences or offices .... and I am not even going to ask you how much space is occupied by each
20% of the flats and 2/3 of the offices are empty: it's tremendous because such building needs a return on investment of 100%.

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Whaty is your concept of full city and infrastructure? Cause they might actually already have more then yours
I think he's right about the city's infrastructure. Saudi Arabia has other issues to solve before constructing a skyscraper for which the only aim is to flatter the ego.

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Old March 24th, 2013, 10:30 AM   #4823
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That made me smile. What a classic! New York was not even a city it was forrest and rocks or something. Rome wasn't built in a day, or was it?

Here are two interesting links showing that in the last 10,000 years of mankind the world's largest cities were in the middle east 80% of the time... in the desert or something.

http://www.businessinsider.com/large...ry-2013-1?op=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ughout_history

by the way, the world trade center took ages and ages to fill to a half way acceptable level.
Not sure what your point is here. When New York City started building supertalls, it was already a big city, not a lonely desert.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 10:39 AM   #4824
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Jeddah isn't exactly a lonely desert.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 10:46 AM   #4825
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Not sure what your point is here. When New York City started building supertalls, it was already a big city, not a lonely desert.
You do realise this is an extension a city that already exists? And has for quite a while!
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Old March 24th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #4826
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Not sure what your point is here. When New York City started building supertalls, it was already a big city, not a lonely desert.
Dubai is still a young city. Wait 50 years for all the projects completion.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #4827
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Absolutely not !
According to the UK Meteorological Office and other foreign departments, climate will 10°C warmer in 50 years than currently.



20% of the flats and 2/3 of the offices are empty: it's tremendous because such building needs a return on investment of 100%.



I think he's right about the city's infrastructure. Saudi Arabia has other issues to solve before constructing a skyscraper for which the only aim is to flatter the ego.
1. ROFL, clueless and totally wrong. A 10 degree increase means wipping out most of the human race and the rest of animal world and the flora from the face of the world. The number you are actually looking, is 1

Plus, the climate change isn't linrar, while some places gets hotter and drier, others qets actually cooler and wetter.


2. What ROI? The developer has sold most of the space in the building. If they are empty, is at private buyers' loss. Pluss the building is the center of a 1 square mile development. They make money by jacking up the prices of the other apartments, plus the occupancy levels on the hotels around they own themselves, or by the footfall of the world's biggest and most visited mall nextdoor, also owned by them. Such a narrow view of economics

PS: I liked also how you ''forgot'' to mention the hotel part of the tower


3. So what about Dubai ('s infrastructure)? He included it as well in his rant
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Old March 24th, 2013, 12:43 PM   #4828
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Dubai is still a young city. Wait 50 years for all the projects completion.
Dubai already had 1 milion inhabitants when Burj Khalifa was first conceived 10 years ago. Now it has more then 2 millions, and since a couple of years already.

Jeddah is also a city of more then 1 million people, I would not be surprised even if it had 3m actually.

But at the end it doesn't matter, if they want let them build whatever. Is neither the whinney people's money nor does it effects their lifes in any way ..... although by some of them comments in other parts of the forum, you create a clear idea what's behind them, and is not economics or design
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Old March 24th, 2013, 03:15 PM   #4829
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Not sure what your point is here. When New York City started building supertalls, it was already a big city, not a lonely desert.

my points are the following:

- dubai was settled because of the natural harbour (dubai creek). like many other cities in the world. the natural resource were rich fishing grounds, and the strategic location for trade. jeddah is very old too. It was visited by Alexander The Great around 350 BC.

- Dubai has been founded and mentioned in scripture more than 1,000 years ago, like many other big cities in the middle east where they had enormous buildings already built "in the desert or something". you could argue they are just "re-claiming" their long-held title that was temporarily held by other regions.

- did the saudis, iraqis, emiratis, and egyptians moan at the time when the western world jump-started their building development 1-2 hundred years ago?

- also, I've not heard many arabs moan when north america started to build mega cities and mega buildings on sand. with pretty much nothing but a license to exploit human gambling addiction. Today 17 of the 100 most expensive buildings ever built are sitting in the Mojave Desert or something (Las Vegas).
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What do you think? Will/can dubai strike back with a higher tower?
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Old March 24th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #4831
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Not anytime soon I'd think
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The Owner of the Kingdom Tower and chairman of Kingdom Holding Company

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal





He also owns an AIRBUS A380 as private jet
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he looks like Giorgio Moroder
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #4834
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That made me smile. What a classic! New York was not even a city it was forrest and rocks or something. Rome wasn't built in a day, or was it?

Here are two interesting links showing that in the last 10,000 years of mankind the world's largest cities were in the middle east 80% of the time... in the desert or something.



by the way, the world trade center took ages and ages to fill to a half way acceptable level.
Exactly what I am saying. The middle east is just skipping the growing phase and going straight to building the tallest buildings. The WTC and ESB took time to fill up in one of the biggest cities on earth and you think a 1007m tower will full up quickly in Jeddah?
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:14 PM   #4835
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What do you think? Will/can dubai strike back with a higher tower?
Not likely!
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #4836
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Exactly what I am saying. The middle east is just skipping the growing phase and going straight to building the tallest buildings. The WTC and ESB took time to fill up in one of the biggest cities on earth and you think a 1007m tower will full up quickly in Jeddah?
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #4837
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Oh yes he does, brilliant!
Yeah Prince Al-Waleed is the Copy of Giorgio Moroder. He even wear same glasses






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I just found out I always loved his music, even though I never knew about the person Giorgio Moroder.
The irony is that Moroder himself now looks much more modern as the prince even though the prince is much youngher.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #4839
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This Skyscraper is going to be a Masterpiece.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #4840
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http://smithgill.com/work/kingdom_tower/
http://smithgill.com/media/pdfs/Kingdom_for_web6.pdf

At over 1,000 meters (3,280 feet) and a total construction area of 530,000 square meters (5.7 million square feet), Kingdom Tower will be the centerpiece and first construction phase of the $20 billion Kingdom City development in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, near the Red Sea.




here is a video of a saudi girl inviting an american man to jeddah (part 1)
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