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Old October 27th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #6381
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well the model render combined with render, both of which you posted last page indicate there indeed are no underground floors. the model render shows only the two or so floors under the entrance and then the piling and on the render we can see that this base is above ground. so if the renders are to be reliable there will be no underground floors.
But then STR says the first floor starts at 5,9m and it's not the B2 floor, so it bothers me how 2 sublevels and big ass fat raft foundation could fit into 6 meters below the entrance without excavation? Something is definitely not right here
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Old October 27th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #6382
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the foundation might be below ground then maybe, but the B floors aren't
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Old October 27th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #6383
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Still putting 2 floors in 6 meters would be like



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Old October 27th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #6384
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don't be such a malkovich about this
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Old October 27th, 2013, 02:18 PM   #6385
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Old October 27th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #6386
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the sticky out observation deck always looked rather out of place, but in that wooden model you can see how it fits to the curve of the three wings and it actually isn't that out of place looking.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #6387
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I personally don't care much about the aesthetics of it but I can't wait to see how they are going install that thing so high up. Except the spire it will be one of the most interesting moments in the construction timeline imo.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #6388
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how many mechanical floors ?
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Old October 27th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #6389
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Here is a very rough estimation for you. If we say each tall floor on this model is mechanical floor then we get 14 mech floors. Of course there will be also a lot of equipment in the spire so the actual number could be bigger. But 14 is more or less the number of regular mechanical floors.

EDIT Adding STR's info that there will be 10 mech levels above the last occupied floor that would make 22 mech floors for the whole tower.

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Old October 27th, 2013, 06:47 PM   #6390
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But then STR says the first floor starts at 5,9m and it's not the B2 floor, so it bothers me how 2 sublevels and big ass fat raft foundation could fit into 6 meters below the entrance without excavation? Something is definitely not right here
B2 is at -7.5m first floor is at +5.9m, which has B1 and B2 averaging 6.7m.

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Here is a very rough estimation for you. If we say each tall floor on this model is mechanical floor then we get 14 mech floors. Of course there will be also a lot of equipment in the spire so the actual number could be bigger. But 14 is more or less the number of regular mechanical floors.

EDIT Adding STR's info that there will be 10 mech levels above the last occupied floor that would make 22 mech floors for the whole tower.
7 above the top occupied floor. They skip numbers, remember? That model shows 8 floors. It could be either. That model and my info aren't very different.
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So you are saying none of this is no longer true?

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Once the piles are in, there is no excavation. The 4-m-deep mat is one level above grade. That means no digging down into the water table—which is close to the surface because of the proximity to the Red Sea—and no dewatering. "We couldn't get big enough pumps to dewater the site. It would have been like trying to dewater the sea," said Peter Weismantle.
That still doesn't add up because our insider from Jeddah (Rody) reported that construction of raft foundation could start as soon as november 2013, but from what you are saying they first need to make 10 meters deep excavation. I guess soon we will see what info was more accurate...
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Old October 27th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #6392
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For the record, the place where I got this was not the same place I got the model photo.
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You're confusing my information for the bucket of fish heads on your desk. Now,I don't know why you have a bucket of fishheads, but I'm not one to judge. So while I can't fix your odor problem, I can give you proof. Tom in Chicago saw the same document I did, but he actually took pictures.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=371

Thanks For This Website !! STR, Our SSC family Friend, This Is Great , Could Help Many here get the Accurate Information, This is very close to 1007 Meters For Sure,
All Our SSC family Friends , This is a Great source of Information,
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I should have posted something here too so sorry for the late news. . .






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Thanks Again TOM in Chicago, Our SSC Family Friend, Here is the website all !!! This is Great Information of the Whole Kingdom Tower from over 2 Years of Planning and design !!!
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For the record, the place where I got this was not the same place I got the model photo.
So it seems it was true at some point. But I also don't think Peter Weismantle an high level executive at S&G would lie in the interview so I guess what he said about no excavation was true too, again, at some point. You said you don't work on the project so the question is how old is your intel. The interview I quoted is from 2012 so maybe it's more recent. Who knows..
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prince al-waleed himself said that it will be MORE THAN 1000m . Then, how would it be 442*2 (LESS THAN 1000m) while the architect said that it will be as twice the height of sears tower. So, the question now is .. What is the EXACT height of sears tower (not the roof) ??? [remember it must be > 500m]

I've got it 527m from wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Tower

Sorry, maybe you two thought I was meaning the roof !!

I think everyone have got my idea after this ..
Thanks Fayzoon , Our SSC Family Friend, Here's more proof its over 1000 Meters for sure, The Prince Says it and It will be Built Over 1000 Meters !!
I say with a few Delays, we'll see this Tower Completed in 2020, and Opened to the public on 2021 !!
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Old October 27th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #6397
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So it seems it was true at some point. But I also don't think Peter Weismantle an high level executive at S&G would lie in the interview so I guess what he said about no excavation was true too, again, at some point. You said you don't work on the project so the question is how old is your intel. The interview I quoted is from 2012 so maybe it's more recent. Who knows..
My data would be, at minimum, from the 2012 period, which is roughly when the design was finalized. It is similar, but different in detail, from the old photos Tom in Chicago posted. However, you're reading to much into the numbering system. There are any number or reasons why they picked the zero point they did, including that the number was relevant in a previous design iteration and has nothing to do with the building as it will be built.

What you should take away is that this building probably won't be listed as 1007m. It will either be 1000.1m, as measured from the ground floor to the tip, 1006m as measured from some lower point on the first floor (main entrance may be lower than the main floor if there is an internal staircase, for example) it may also be 1013.575m measured from a concourse level two floors below the main entrance.
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wow 1007m? awesome
roof=680m
thats a 327m spire?
tower base measures 107m wide.
ill have to draw up a comparison to Burk khalifa.
Very Close Indeed CULWULLA, Our SSC Family Friend, And the Top Floor # 167 IMO, is the Prince's Own Pent House Level with the Open Observation Deck at the Same Height and Floor Level, the Mechanical Floors are Lower than that, There's Nothing but an empty Tower straight Up from There IMO, I'm guessing now
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My data would be, at minimum, from the 2012 period, which is roughly when the design was finalized. It is similar, but different in detail, from the old photos Tom in Chicago posted. However, you're reading to much into the numbering system. There are any number or reasons why they picked the zero point they did, including that the number was relevant in a previous design iteration and has nothing to do with the building as it will be built.

What you should take away is that this building probably won't be listed as 1007m. It will either be 1000.1m, as measured from the ground floor to the tip, 1006m as measured from some lower point on the first floor (main entrance may be lower than the main floor if there is an internal staircase, for example) it may also be 1013.575m measured from a concourse level two floors below the main entrance.
STR I don't care about the height I just want to know if there is massive excavation ahead of us or not. There are some sources saying there will be none and the raft foundation will just sit on the ground, and some (You) that there will be. All in all I'm willing believe in the former.
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When did I ever say there was going to be excavation? You're making a big assumption based on something I never said. The word I used was "sublevel", which in case English is not your native language, "sublevel" just means "level below". In this case, two levels below the first floor, which we can all assume contains the main entrance, which usually is at SOME street level.

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There's 2 sublevels, the lower of the two will be about 8m below street level at the main entrance.
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