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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:56 AM   #7041
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Not for nothing but Jeddah looks like the single shittiest 'city' on earth. It's like Jan Gehl had a fever induced nightmare during a layover in downtown Houston
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 02:13 AM   #7042
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I always thought dubai was business and tourism destination before burj khalifa construction even began
By that time Dubai already had three supertalls that were also on Top 10 World's tallest towers (at the time), as well as World's tallest residensial tower, not to mention that in 1979 they completed a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere (back then) that was taller than any other building in between NYC and Hong Kong ..... just saying
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 12:33 PM   #7043
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:39 PM   #7044
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By that time Dubai already had three supertalls that were also on Top 10 World's tallest towers (at the time)
which ones ?

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, not to mention that in 1979 they completed a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere (back then) that was taller than any other building in between NYC and Hong Kong ..... just saying
really ? which one ?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:27 PM   #7045
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which ones ?
Emirates Office Tower, Burj Al Arab, Rose Tower

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really ? which one ?
Dubai World Trade Center
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:39 PM   #7046
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which ones ?
in the year 2000 the three just finished supertalls in dubai ranked #12, #17, #21. so yeah all three were outside the top ten, still impressive, considering dubai had as many supertalls as Hong Kong and was only behind chicago and new york besides that.

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really ? which one ?
he meant world trade center built 1979, but also forgot that besides dubai also european cities already had a few taller buildings, such as moscow, paris.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:40 PM   #7047
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Emirates Office Tower, Burj Al Arab, Rose Tower
pretty sure he meant emirates hotel and not rose tower, rose tower was only finished in 2007
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:49 PM   #7048
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You do realize you're proving my point?
The point that tall towers has no effect? Think again
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 05:21 PM   #7049
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guys lets be precised here

ALTIN Wrote :

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Emirates Office Tower, Burj Al Arab, Rose Tower

i hear from killerZavatar that's not the case, so please put facts which are true or chose some other facts to back up your point.


and after ALTIN stated this :

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not to mention that in 1979 they completed a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere (back then) that was taller than any other building in between NYC and Hong Kong ..... just saying
and again i had to ask which building because for a long time (and that was long after 1979), it seems the tallest tower in Dubai was Burj Al Arab (300m) and as far as i remember in the 80's Empire state building in NYC already existed, and Twin Towers had not yet been demolished...i don't even go down the road and start talking about other cities like Hong Kong or some others having taller building than Dubai

(and even if you meant no other cities between NYC and Hong kong had taller building than dubai, then still the facts are false)

so please keep that forum away from false information...no need to put up lies to prove that Dubai is a great city !

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Old February 23rd, 2014, 05:24 PM   #7050
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The point that tall towers has no effect? Think again
The point that dubai was doing fine before it started construction of worlds tallest building? Or that tall buildings were merely a consequence of other factors in the city?

Or maybe you are actually suggesting that dubai success is a consequence of building 149m tower in 79' Which btw wasn't that much even at that time. Lol the tallest between ny and hk. Dude there was taller tower in Poland at that time
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@kony you will get used to it This guy almost never checks if stuff he's posting is correct or not.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:45 PM   #7052
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http://gizmodo.com/how-the-worlds-ne...ilt-1525129231

How the World's Next Tallest Building Will Be Built



A crucial step towards building the next tallest building on Earth is underway: Engineers on the Kingdom Tower, a proposed 3,280 foot tower in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, are beginning tests to figure out how to pump wet concrete more than half a mile into the sky.

There are plenty of technical challenges involved with building a one-kilometer-high tower, including (but in no way limited to!) lackluster elevator tech and the sheer weight of a tower this tall. And we haven't heard about Kingdom in months, which seemed to indicate that the economic demand just wasn't there.

But this week, the developers of the tower announced that an outside consultant—Advanced Construction Technology Services—is starting tests on the materials needed to build the tower: half a million cubic meters of concrete and around 80,000 tons of steel.



There are all kinds of reasons why this is the first item on the engineering agenda. First of all, the tower's foundation will be 200 feet deep—and it has to withstand the salt water of the nearby ocean. One of the major things ACTS will test is the strength of different high-performance concretes—the most essential piece of the puzzle, along with the steel itself.

Up top, things are more complicated: To pour each successive floor, crews will have to pump millions of tons of concrete through a thin, pressurized tube—generally about six inches wide—to be poured by crews above. And gravity, as you might expect, does not get along well with wet concrete.



A traditional concrete pump. Image: Wikimedia.

So after ACTS finishes testing the strength of the concrete mix that'll be used in Jeddah, its engineers will move on to logistics like pumping—and it sounds like they'll be looking closely at how the Burj Khalifa did it.

When the Burj was built, it set a record for highest concrete pumping. A Samsung-led engineering team was able to pump almost six million cubic feet of concrete through a single tube, thanks to high-tech pumps developed by the German company Putzmeister.



Image via LEGO/Putzmeister.

Throughout almost the entire project, workers could only pour new floors at night—the temperatures, in the day, made it impossible.





Images: Putzmeister.

Of course, the big caveat to all of this is that the Kingdom Tower might not ever get built. But that doesn't actually matter as much as you might expect. Proving that concrete can be poured at one kilometer is just the next step along a ladder that reaches far beyond that. As Dr. Sang Dae Kim, the director of the Council on Tall Buildings, put it to Construction Weekly, "in terms of practicalities, we don't need to built at two kilometers—but someone with a lot of money might still want to do it."


So the point of testing the technology is to prove that it can be done—if not in Jeddah, then somewhere else. [Saudi Gazette]
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:56 PM   #7053
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i want to quote hardmanwalkith (Kelsey Campbell-Dollaghan) :
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I had a chance to do some of the design work with the engineers involved in several aspects of the building (Chicago area). The scale and scope of the work is incredible. I've been to the job site in Jeddah and this thing will be absolutely amazing. They originally wanted it to be one mile high but were so far over budget that it was quickly downsized to one km tall. Can't wait until they build it.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:17 PM   #7054
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And we haven't heard about Kingdom in months, which seemed to indicate that the economic demand just wasn't there.
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Of course, the big caveat to all of this is that the Kingdom Tower might not ever get built.
These quotes show perfectly how unreliable this article is. The lack of news has nothing to do with lack of demand. And we all know this tower isn't getting built for demand whatsoever...
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Of course, the big caveat to all of this is that the Kingdom Tower might not ever get built. But that doesn't actually matter as much as you might expect. Proving that concrete can be poured at one kilometer is just the next step along a ladder that reaches far beyond that. As Dr. Sang Dae Kim, the director of the Council on Tall Buildings, put it to Construction Weekly, "in terms of practicalities, we don't need to built at two kilometers—but someone with a lot of money might still want to do it."


So the point of testing the technology is to prove that it can be done—if not in Jeddah, then somewhere else. [Saudi Gazette]
Well, that sounds confident.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 03:34 AM   #7056
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Kingdom TowerDownload Project Factsheet
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Official Name Kingdom Tower
Type building
Status Under Construction
Country Saudi Arabia
City Jeddah
Street Address Kingdom City (Map)
Building Function residential / hotel / office
Structural Material concrete
Proposed 2011
Start of Construction 2013
Completion 2019
Official Website Kingdom Tower
Figures
Height: Architectural 1000.0 meter / 3281 feet
Height: To Tip 1000.0 meter / 3281 feet
Height: Observatory 502.0 meter / 1647 feet
Floors Above Ground 167
Floors Below Ground 4
# of Elevators 59
Top Elevator Speed 10 m/s
Tower GFA 258,000 m² / 2,777,089 ft²
Development GFA 8,127,000 m² / 87,478,300 ft²
# of Apartments 530
# of Hotel Rooms 200
# of Parking Spaces 3190
Companies Involved
Owner Jeddah Economic Company
Developers Jeddah Economic Company; Kingdom Holding Company
Architects
• Design Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture
• Architect of Record Dar al-Handasah Shair & Partners
Structural Engineer Thornton Tomasetti
MEP Engineer Environmental Systems Design, Inc.
Project Managers EC Harris; Mace
Main Contractor Saudi Bin Laden Group
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From Jin Mao to Kingdom: Search for an Asian Supertall Vernacular
CTBUH Shanghai Congress

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Case Study: Kingdom Tower, Jeddah
Weismantle, P. & Stochetti, A. (Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture), CTBUH Journal
Kingdom Tower: A New Icon for Saudi Arabia
Talal Al Maiman (Kingdom Real Estate Development), CTBUH Shanghai Congress

Other CTBUH Links
Kingdom Tower, Jeddah
CTBUH Featured Tall Building, 2013
Eighty Iconic Asian Skyscrapers
CTBUH Shanghai Congress, 2012
Tallest 20 in 2020: Entering the Era of the Megatall
CTBUH Report, 2011
Tallest 20 in 2020: Entering the Era of the Megatall
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Kingdom Tower Piling Work Completes
CTBUH Global News, 2013-12
Adrian Smith for Design Intelligence
CTBUH Global News, 2013-09
AS+GG Partner Discusses Supertall Construction on Chinese Radio
CTBUH Global News, 2013-08
Kingdom Tower Officially Underway and On Schedule
CTBUH Global News, 2013-06
Saudi Prince Looks to Pursue Another Supertall
CTBUH Global News, 2013-06
Saudi Water Company Signs $587 Million Jeddah Tower Deal
Bloomberg, 2013-04
Kingdom Tower Secures Water Supply
CTBUH Global News, 2013-04
The Man Behind the Burj Khalifa Seeks to Do It Again
CTBUH Global News, 2013-04
The National Highlights Kingdom Tower
CTBUH Global News, 2013-03
Saudi shoots for the stars as 1km-tall Kingdom Tower set to rise
The National, 2013-03
The Shard's Project Managers to Oversee Kingdom Tower
CTBUH Global News, 2013-02
Businessweek Examines Elevator Advancements
Bloomberg Businessweek, 2013-01
Adrian Smith Talks Kingdom Tower
CTBUH Global News, 2012-12
Kingdom Tower Signs Foundation Deal
CTBUH Global News, 2012-10
Prince Alwaleed: World's Tallest Building Finished in 2017
arabianBusiness.com, 2012-04
Kingdom Tower Designers Apply Lessons from Burj Khalifa
Engineering News-Record, 2012-03
Kingdom Tower Project Gets Final Go-ahead
Arab News.com, 2012-02
Work on 1km-tall Kingdom Tower set to begin in January
The National, 2011-11
Four Seasons could be world's highest hotel
HotelierMiddleEast.com, 2011-08
AS + GG Architecture Designs Kingdom Tower, to be the World's Tallest Building
CTBUH, 2011-08
Getting real
arabianBusiness.com, 2011-01
AS+GG Selected to World's Tallest in Saudi Arabia
Chicago Tribune, 2010-03
Top 8 Skyscrapers That Will Push the Limits of Design
Popular Mechanics, 2010-01
World's Tallest Skyscraper to be Built in Saudi Arabia
ynet news.com, 2009-06
Saudi's Kingdom Hires Emaar for Kilometre-high Skyscraper
The Sydney Morning Herald, 2009-06
Middle East Projects Vie For Tallest Tower Title
Site Selection, 2008-11
King Abdullah Inaugurates the Tallest Tower in the World
Kingdom Holding Company, 2008-10

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Kingdom Tower
Type building
Status Under Construction
Country Saudi Arabia
City Jeddah
Street Address Kingdom City (Map)
Building Function residential / hotel / office
Structural Material concrete
Proposed 2011
Start of Construction 2013
Completion 2019
Official Website Kingdom Tower
Figures
Height: Architectural 1000.0 meter / 3281 feet
Height: To Tip 1000.0 meter / 3281 feet
Height: Observatory 502.0 meter / 1647 feet
Floors Above Ground 167
Floors Below Ground 4
# of Elevators 59
Top Elevator Speed 10 m/s
Tower GFA 258,000 m² / 2,777,089 ft²
Development GFA 8,127,000 m² / 87,478,300 ft²
# of Apartments 530
# of Hotel Rooms 200
# of Parking Spaces 3190
Companies Involved
Owner Jeddah Economic Company
Developers Jeddah Economic Company; Kingdom Holding Company
Architects
• Design Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture
• Architect of Record Dar al-Handasah Shair & Partners
Structural Engineer Thornton Tomasetti
MEP Engineer Environmental Systems Design, Inc.
Project Managers EC Harris; Mace
Main Contractor Saudi Bin Laden Group
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Oh man, I'm so sorry I got one wrong, please forgive me!
I think he meant that none of those towers were actually in top 10
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