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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #8921
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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #8922
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So only 4 more floors than Burj Khalifa, that's odd.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #8923
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So only 4 more floors than Burj Khalifa, that's odd.
8 floors
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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #8924
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It's actually 4, 167 - 163 = 4 oh an ofcource that long ass sprie.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #8925
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1/3 of this building is a spire. The ultimate definition of
Right, they should have fitted out the spire height with floors. Maybe an armchair might fit per floor...
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #8926
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It's actually 4, 167 - 163 = 4 oh an ofcource that long ass sprie.
it's 170 floors not 167
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #8927
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it's 170 floors not 167
still not 8, but 7 then.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #8928
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Supertall classification isn't going to change by itself. It should start with places like this forum. If people start ranking buildings by roof height instead of spire height, step by step architectural firms will adopt it and sooner or later it will take over the industry. It's almost turning into a bit of a problem since so many developers are now using their artificial "spire height" as a marketing tool for new supertalls, see Ping An and One World Trade Centre. Remember, the Sears Tower is still taller than One World!
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But keep in mind that the roof height doesn't work very good at some towers. The official height should say like it is at the moment.
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Please spread your roof height propaganda somewhere else, most of us are sick and tired of this nonsense debatte. Thanks.
I have to think that Zoo_ has a very valid point! Many of these new buildings really aren't that tall if you take off the spire. When the spire is almost 1/3 of the total height how valid is using it to determine the total height of the building? Or we have buildings like WTC1 where there was a major argument over whether it had a spire or an antenna, which ever it was it was only prepared to achieve the total height of 1776'! Roof height is what actually matters because that's the usable part of a building, spires are totally useless and only a decoration. At least antennas like those on the Sears Tower (I know the names changed but to most people he will always be the Sears Tower) are there for a valid reason!
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Old October 7th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #8929
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Decoration is not a valid reason? Okay...
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #8930
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All of you roof height fanatics don't get the concept behind the official measurement system.
The issue is that modern buildings serve so many purposes, they are not only there to offer space to live or work. At the point where you see more in a building than the space it offers, when you see it's architectural and aesthetical purpose, it's determination, you have to accept spire height to make comparisons.

Besides, there should be a SSC rule against this nonsense debatte, similar to the prohibition of city vs. city fights. Else, threads about buildings with spires just get dragged off-topic over and over again.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #8931
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Besides, there should be a SSC rule against this nonsense debatte, similar to the prohibition of city vs. city fights. Else, threads about buildings with spires just get dragged off-topic over and over again.
True dat!

OK, any updates on KT photo's?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #8932
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So only 4 more floors than Burj Khalifa, that's odd.
Some years ago the towers with the most floors had just 100 to 110 floors. Now we are at 160 to 170 floors, that's a massive increase. I don't see where your problem is.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 11:26 AM   #8933
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I heard a rumor burj khalifi will increase its hight. Is it technically possible ?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 11:55 AM   #8934
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Technically, SOME increase may be possible.

But at first, it will disturb the archtectural design of the building.
Making the spire higher will not make it more beautiful, but most likely less beautiful.

Secondly, it may not be so easy from a technical point of view.
Adding some spire sections with a helicopter was done before in the world, but not at this height. But lets's say "possible".

The additional height means additional weight of the spire, and of the total building.
And additional wind loads.
Basically, the building was not designed for these extra loads.
Off course there are safety factors in the design, but you do not want to give these up...
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Old October 8th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #8935
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I heard a rumor burj khalifi will increase its hight. Is it technically possible ?
Was that a BBM spread rumor? .... just like those: Burj Al Arab was toppled by a giant wave, The Palm sunk, a big tsunami will hit the city in one hour and all those other BS?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #8936
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it's 170 floors not 167
Only if you include the 2 basement levels
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Old October 8th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #8937
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Was that a BBM spread rumor? .... just like those: Burj Al Arab was toppled by a giant wave, The Palm sunk, a big tsunami will hit the city in one hour and all those other BS?
When we talk abt engineering plz keep the kids talk a side . Do you have en engineer background to answer my question or no need for your off subject post. We all here to share knowledge . I am Still looking for more answer
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Old October 8th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #8938
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to answer your question, you can simply add an antenna on nearly every building to increase height. The Empire State building is a good example, it got an antenna added long after it was built, this is also the reason why the do not count antennas to the official height. There however is no reason whatsoever to increase Burj Khalifas height, since there is no possibility to increase it by as much as would be needed to stay the tallest building to the tip. Also Altin may have a rough temper some times, but he does know what he talks about and you must admit that increasing Burj Khalifas height sounds outright ridiculous.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #8939
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When we talk abt engineering plz keep the kids talk a side . Do you have en engineer background to answer my question or no need for your off subject post. We all here to share knowledge . I am Still looking for more answer
I did answer your question (indirectly, well the first part anyway). I am surprised by the amounts of crazy and bizarre rumors that got spread over here, so why should this (increasing BK's height) be any different?

What has happened here probably, was that someone heard about the true fact that during the construction, as the tower was coming up and more accurate wind readings were being taken on site, the structural engineers and the architects started experimenting and testing different designs at different heights, up to more than 1 km tall, and than for aesthetic reasons they settled for the final 818 meters design, replacing the 705 meter one they were building up to that point .... and got transformed into: Emaar will increase the height now in 2014/5 or later.

First it is pointless, considering no way you can add a 200 meters tall up there to regain the title after KT is build. Neither structurally, nor aesthetically it would be possible .... plus (even if possible) Emaar is not that childish to devalue their most prized asset just like that.

* I said 818 and not 828 meters, because that was the designed and implemented structural height. It was updated to 828 by a mere technicality in the way CTBUH measure the lowest level.

Was that enough "not-childish"for ya?
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Old October 8th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #8940
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* I said 818 and not 828 meters, because that was the designed and implemented structural height. It was updated to 828 by a mere technicality in the way CTBUH measure the lowest level.
never heard about that before, do you have a link for me to read more about this? or can maybe explain what happened in a short way, don't want to make an offtopic discussion out of this, but am really interested in it since i didn't know about it. Is it build on a sloped gound floor? the maths building of my university has it that one side of the building has the entrance one floor above the other side, so i could imagine something like that, although in Dubai it would surprise me, since it is a rather flat terrain i would imagine.

Will there also be a similar case for Kingdom Tower as well, i think i have seen in some diagrams posted that the first floor starts at like 5m or so and at least parts of the under ground floors are above ground.
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