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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:41 PM   #8981
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Do you know what exponentially means? I can imagine the costs for a mile high tower to be easily 10 times higher than what they are spending on Kingdom Tower (at the current state of engineering).

Oh and soil conditions were surely one of their least concerns.
the money isn't the problem for sure! The KT has more than one owner:

kingdom Holding Company 33.35%
Saudi Binladin Group 16.63%
Abrar International Holding Company 33.35%
Abdulrahman Hassan Sharbatly 16.67%


So, I think it's not a money barrier. It's a mechanically barrier.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #8982
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Old October 13th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #8983
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I have heard from a person that it will be 1200 meters. Not confirm about that but i am extremely worried how they will reach the tower cranes and materials on +1000 meters. Are we really that advance?
i think one crane will reach 1000m ...
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Old October 13th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #8984
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the money isn't the problem for sure! The KT has more than one owner:

kingdom Holding Company 33.35%
Saudi Binladin Group 16.63%
Abrar International Holding Company 33.35%
Abdulrahman Hassan Sharbatly 16.67%


So, I think it's not a money barrier. It's a mechanically barrier.
the cost for a mile high tower is 10 bn $ or more ... and also will take 12 years or more to construct ...
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Old October 13th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #8985
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It's all about the design. you could built a mile-high guyed mast like structure, which wouldn't be that expensive and take not long at all, It could also be a design with three massive cores and not really getting thinner towards the top, the nakheel tower approach, which might fit your estimate. Something that gets pretty thin and has a tall spire on top, even more so than Burj Khalifa and Kingdom Tower would be quite expensive, but not undoable from both price and time to construct. It just currently is not desired, since it wouldn't add that much more space for a big jump in costs and construction challenges.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #8986
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The KT is almost 200 meters higher than burj, and still 400 million cheaper... How are you gonna explain that? It doesn't quite fit into your formula...
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #8987
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The KT is almost 200 meters higher than burj, and still 400 million cheaper... How are you gonna explain that? It doesn't quite fit into your formula...
If I clad a skyscraper in gold it's also more expensive than Kingdom Tower.

No seriously, make up your mind.
At first, we don't have the slightliest clue what KT will even cost. Projects of any size, ranging from a family home to the world's largest mega projects, are a steady process with ever-changing variables. Prices for steel, concrete, aluminium and glass are changing daily, contractors are trying to sell their services at maximum profit, delays and unforeseen events can have major influence on project costs.

To give a prime example: Berlin's new airport was supposed to open in 2012 with estimated costs of 1.7 billion €. Due to major complications and mistakes in the project execution, the nearly finished airport could not be opened and as of today, an opening before 2017 seems impossible. The estimated costs so far are 5.1 billion € and every month the delay is causing another 35 - 40 million €.
So please, don't compare absolute project costs with some targeted figures.

Also keep in mind that I was talking about costs to reach a certain height. That is in first place the costs for the superstructures of these towers, not the overall project costs.

And, I do not have a formula. It's just common sense that the higher you go, the more expensive it gets.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 04:34 AM   #8988
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It could also be a design with three massive cores and not really getting thinner towards the top, .
Yeah, I could see buildings with multiple cores being built when they start building taller than KT.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 08:08 AM   #8989
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The KT is almost 200 meters higher than burj, and still 400 million cheaper... How are you gonna explain that? It doesn't quite fit into your formula...
If you have read, KT is using same height floors for every floor to keep prices down. BK used varying floor heights which resulted in higher cost. Also KT is using proven technologies whereas, BK's suppliers had to create new systems to accommodate.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #8990
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If you have read, KT is using same height floors for every floor to keep prices down. BK used varying floor heights which resulted in higher cost. Also KT is using proven technologies whereas, BK's suppliers had to create new systems to accommodate.
Also the shape of KT is cheaper to build and probably even faster when i remember right.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #8991
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Old October 14th, 2014, 05:05 PM   #8992
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The KT is almost 200 meters higher than burj, and still 400 million cheaper... How are you gonna explain that? It doesn't quite fit into your formula...
It's not finished yet so no one knows how much it will cost.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #8993
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fourth floor already? wow, 10 floors by the end of the year are no question by now anymore.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #8994
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I can't see any photo al-saif help ,please
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Old October 14th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #8995
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fourth floor already? wow, 10 floors by the end of the year are no question by now anymore.
It looks to me like most of level 1 has been poured and the formwork already removed, and the rebar is reaching up to the bottom of the 3rd level. Way to go if they want to keep their schedule
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Old October 14th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #8996
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It's hard to tell the floor count, because a lot of it looks like scaffolding; but the again, most scaffolding is the same floor to ceiling height as the building itself!

So it looks like you have the raft, then 3 floors above plus the 4th under construction! I hope this is right because this is flying up
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Old October 14th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #8997
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4th under construction already? Wow I never would have guessed
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It looks to me like most of level 1 has been poured and the formwork already removed, and the rebar is reaching up to the bottom of the 3rd level. Way to go if they want to keep their schedule
agree, level 1 has been poured. now they're working on floor 2 together with installing the climbing formwork. With the 2nd floor being poured the real rising begins
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #8999
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wow 4th fast progress ... thanx alsaif2012
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #9000
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4th floor allready? WOW! Its too fast...
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