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Old December 12th, 2014, 04:04 AM   #9561
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What?? Why would it be in Saudi Arabia's best interest to further destabilize Iran with artificially low oil prices? The decision to not restrict supply is definitely due to the unexpected American shale oil performance.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #9562
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So what you're saying is nobody knows why oil prices are plummeting. Got it.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 05:21 AM   #9563
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So the UAE will have skipped it?
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Old December 12th, 2014, 06:15 AM   #9564
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So what you're saying is nobody knows why oil prices are plummeting. Got it.
Regardless of the target, its Saudi Arabia being passive aggressive against someone or something.

Best bet is Iranian regime, makes the most sense considering the timing and method. Possible but less likely are American corporations (as a long term business decision) and/or Russia, for political reasons, specifically its support of Asad and Iranian regime.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 09:13 AM   #9565
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China has the Best economy on the planet,, they are building 500-600 meter skyscraper's everywhere,, they have western architects designing these buildings, and sadly they have underpaid laborer's building them,, But,
China has the $, they have the knowledge. It Just seems like Burj went much quicker in this amount of time.... This seem's almost fake to me.
My forum friend,, KillerZavatar (also known as wally) ,is thinking this will go full height, I just don't see it, but I'll respect the more senior forum member, and trust in him.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 10:36 AM   #9566
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China has the Best economy on the planet,, they are building 500-600 meter skyscraper's everywhere,, they have western architects designing these buildings, and sadly they have underpaid laborer's building them,, But,
China has the $, they have the knowledge. It Just seems like Burj went much quicker in this amount of time.... This seem's almost fake to me.
My forum friend,, KillerZavatar (also known as wally) ,is thinking this will go full height, I just don't see it, but I'll respect the more senior forum member, and trust in him.
And if I'm wrong I'll eat 3 crows.
No, taking into account their +1 Billion population, they don't have that much $ to spend relentlessly. Even Qatar has got more fiscal liberties to spend money on projects like this.

Also your comment, at this point, is just a wish and has no basis whatsoever.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 12:40 PM   #9567
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My forum friend,, KillerZavatar (also known as wally) ,is thinking this will go full height, I just don't see it.
if they had no intend of finishing it at full height why would they have invested so much time and efford in designing the buiding and building that massive foundation. The only way i can see this building not getting to break the 1000m mark is, if we get another financial crisis, unexpected complications or corrupt investors running away lol. And even if something unexpected happens that endangers the project it might be too big to fail. Burj Khalifa had financing problems, but as an icon was pushed thru in the end, hence the rename from Burj Dubai. I mean, come on, it is above ground already.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #9568
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Kingdom Tower is definitely too big to fail now that its out of the ground. How bad would it look to have all this publicity around the world's first 1km tall structure and then not finish it?
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:34 PM   #9569
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fyi, this is what it looks like when you start a 1km tall structure and then not finish it

but we are far beyond this stage, we are rising already
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:40 PM   #9570
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(off-topic here)
But I hope that the Nakheel Tower will be built, sometime...
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:43 PM   #9571
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This section shows super-improvident design! They could envisage some sky-pod, like the one on CN Tower - for media centres, sky-lobbies, observatories, ATCs etc...
I hope the architects will come to their senses, and re-think it a bit.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 02:56 PM   #9572
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Kingdom Tower diagram update:
diagram by christos-greece, on Flickr
Amazing diagram, i hope you will update this one from time to time, will give a great chance to see the progress over time and compare with old updates

Also for the ones, who claim that the final height can be calculated quite easily once this tower is rising for a longer time, take a look at the top of the spire. There is a seperated spire added on the slanted building design. Sure they cannot change the final height by a hundred meters. But adding 20m or 30m seems clearly possible, if they so choose to.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #9573
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To me it's really strange that China hasn't yet a 1km+tall project under construction.

As said above, China has an extremely powerful economy, and a huge growth rate.
Let's add that China has the ambition to become the best in every field, not only economy or army, but also fields like architecture, urbanism, transportation, high speed rail, sport (remember the 2008 olympic games?), etc

It can't be explained in a short message like that... but China has always been a country of vainness for centuries and now in the early 21st century they want to show to the world how powerful they are.


So I'm surprised they don't answer to Saudi Arabia's Kingdom Tower with a taller gigatall-skyscraper
There has been news about "Phoenix towers" but currently it's just a proposed idea.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #9574
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I believe it's just a matter of time until chinese skyscrapers will break the 1km mark.
But let's not forget that China's east coast has very different geological conditions than the Arabian Peninsula. From what I know, earthquakes are really rare in the UAE and Saudi Arabia. China however is always in the danger of major earthquakes with great magnitude. The strong winds and tropical storms there are also a danger to tall buildings. This is why most (if not all) chinese megatalls use the supercolumn construction method and have mass dampers somewhere near the top. These technologies are still pretty new and need further research, testing etc. until a 1km+ tower can be build safely in China.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, this is just some loose knowledge I acquired over the years )
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Old December 12th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #9575
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From what I know, earthquakes are really rare in the UAE and Saudi Arabia.
repeat that ? dont forget dubai is neighbor to Iran

i experienced a pretty scary earthquake in dubai 18 months ago
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Old December 12th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #9576
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Old December 12th, 2014, 11:50 PM   #9577
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The Arab Peninsula sits on its own continental plate and thereby has a risk of earthquake on all sides.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #9578
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repeat that ? dont forget dubai is neighbor to Iran

i experienced a pretty scary earthquake in dubai 18 months ago
Correction: Heavy earthquakes (such that are a real threat to skyscrapers) are really rare in the UAE.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #9579
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in the other GCC countries as well
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I believe it's just a matter of time until chinese skyscrapers will break the 1km mark.
But let's not forget that China's east coast has very different geological conditions than the Arabian Peninsula. From what I know, earthquakes are really rare in the UAE and Saudi Arabia. China however is always in the danger of major earthquakes with great magnitude. The strong winds and tropical storms there are also a danger to tall buildings. This is why most (if not all) chinese megatalls use the supercolumn construction method and have mass dampers somewhere near the top. These technologies are still pretty new and need further research, testing etc. until a 1km+ tower can be build safely in China.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, this is just some loose knowledge I acquired over the years )
Didn't you know that in Taiwan, when they feel an earthquake is coming they go inside the taipei 101 ?
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