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Old May 2nd, 2016, 12:19 AM   #14901
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One of many economics reforms announced recently to eliminate our oil dependence is tourism. They plan to issue green cards similar to U.S system and open the country to people. It will take time and effort, but it will happen.
Tourism ? What...once your inside a glitzy Mall or skyscraper you could be home in your own city ? What else can they offer...They have their own culture which is a difference to home but most people would not prefer that culture if you come from the free world...? But interesting to see different places I guess...
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 12:33 AM   #14902
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 04:59 AM   #14903
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Tourism ? What...once your inside a glitzy Mall or skyscraper you could be home in your own city ? What else can they offer...They have their own culture which is a difference to home but most people would not prefer that culture if you come from the free world...? But interesting to see different places I guess...
It is true, I don't think many people from your "free" world will come and live in Saudi Arabia. However, you are dismissing roughly 1 billion muslims mostly living in 3rd world country and would give anything to live in a holy land. Not every country is obligated to cater to western ideals/needs. Plus, millions of Arabs who are diminished in their homeland and cannot build fortune for themselves can immigrate to Saudi Arabia, which is heavy consumer market, and I can totally see Egyptian, Indonesian, Indian, etc... businesses popping up and generating revenue to our economy.
Regarding tourism, I think our unique culture will be more of attractive feature rather than something that hinder our tourism industry. Aside from religious tourists, there are many adventurers and travel-loving people who would love to go to Saudi Arabia and experience something different. It will be something similar to Cuba, which is currently experiencing sharp surge of tourists coming to their country.
Your typical sunny-beach tourist sites such as S. America or modern-day city offering all kinds of extravagance such as Dubai and Singapore are terrible way to construct your tourism industry. Instead of having to compete with already-established tourist sites, it is much easier and safer to create unique experience to offer to the world.
The only danger that face Saudi Arabia tourism industry is the retarded religious police. Luckily, they are slowly stripped away from their power and soon will no longer be threat.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 10:53 AM   #14904
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I happen to know alot of american expats in saudi who loves it here... Things are exaggerated in the media...
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 11:03 AM   #14905
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I happen to know alot of american expats in saudi who loves it here... Things are exaggerated in the media...
Exactly, the caricature image portrayed is far from the reality.
More to the point, Jeddah and the Hijaz region in general has plenty of tourism potential. It has the religious and historic sights, miles of beaches, and a rich local culture. Moreover the people have been welcoming visitors for thousands of years. It's a cosmopolitan society.

The hindrance to tourism (even for locals) is not from the place or the people.
But I do like how Jeddah has been reviving the Hijazi culture with historical festivals. Here's a guided tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOt3-tAQdEY
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It is true, I don't think many people from your "free" world will come and live in Saudi Arabia. However, you are dismissing roughly 1 billion muslims mostly living in 3rd world country and would give anything to live in a holy land. Not every country is obligated to cater to western ideals/needs. Plus, millions of Arabs who are diminished in their homeland and cannot build fortune for themselves can immigrate to Saudi Arabia, which is heavy consumer market, and I can totally see Egyptian, Indonesian, Indian, etc... businesses popping up and generating revenue to our economy.
Regarding tourism, I think our unique culture will be more of attractive feature rather than something that hinder our tourism industry. Aside from religious tourists, there are many adventurers and travel-loving people who would love to go to Saudi Arabia and experience something different. It will be something similar to Cuba, which is currently experiencing sharp surge of tourists coming to their country.
Your typical sunny-beach tourist sites such as S. America or modern-day city offering all kinds of extravagance such as Dubai and Singapore are terrible way to construct your tourism industry. Instead of having to compete with already-established tourist sites, it is much easier and safer to create unique experience to offer to the world.
The only danger that face Saudi Arabia tourism industry is the retarded religious police. Luckily, they are slowly stripped away from their power and soon will no longer be threat.
I wasn't meaning negative or positive...just what we are used to then if travel comes to mind why not travel where places are different. I just am a bit scared going to places where common place western ways may mean being arrested there ? I am used to females being equal to males and affection between them not a sin in public...to a point...it's just the different level of acceptance of everyday life that doesn't need to be a worry on a holiday...enjoy your life, no offence intended...
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 03:21 PM   #14907
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I wasn't meaning negative or positive...just what we are used to then if travel comes to mind why not travel where places are different. I just am a bit scared going to places where common place western ways may mean being arrested there ? I am used to females being equal to males and affection between them not a sin in public...to a point...it's just the different level of acceptance of everyday life that doesn't need to be a worry on a holiday...enjoy your life, no offence intended...
As a visitor you have nothing to fear. If you do something outside of local norms, someone (probably the manager of the establishment) will just tap your shoulder to tell you it's not allowed and move you on. They don't want the hassle of arresting you. The locals and residents are the ones who have to deal with the hay2a.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 04:49 PM   #14908
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 08:17 PM   #14909
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I wasn't meaning negative or positive...just what we are used to then if travel comes to mind why not travel where places are different. I just am a bit scared going to places where common place western ways may mean being arrested there ? I am used to females being equal to males and affection between them not a sin in public...to a point...it's just the different level of acceptance of everyday life that doesn't need to be a worry on a holiday...enjoy your life, no offence intended...
Like the other guy said, religious police is usually more lenient to foreigners compared to locals. I don't think you should visit Saudi Arabia if the thought of completely different culture and values scare you off. This is not something to be ashamed of, you are simply not adventurous enough to try something new. After all, when you travel abroad you seek happy, and relaxed time away from your daily life worries. Although Saudi Arabia will not come up in your mind, I assure you millions of others will think of SA as holiday destination.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 10:23 PM   #14910
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Like the other guy said, religious police is usually more lenient to foreigners compared to locals. I don't think you should visit Saudi Arabia if the thought of completely different culture and values scare you off. This is not something to be ashamed of, you are simply not adventurous enough to try something new. After all, when you travel abroad you seek happy, and relaxed time away from your daily life worries. Although Saudi Arabia will not come up in your mind, I assure you millions of others will think of SA as holiday destination.
Saudi Arabia literally is setting on a GOLD MINE of history. There are many many exotic historical sites that when developed will attract millions of Arabs and Muslims to learn more about their history. Surely, but slowly, the government is heading towards this direction to generate revenue and diversify from oil. With this alone, we could see millions of tourists who are not big fans of western style tourism. In addition, Saudi plans to increase religious visitors to more than 30 millions by 2030. This is a huge number and will stimulate growth and development in tourism sector.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 10:36 PM   #14911
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It is true, I don't think many people from your "free" world will come and live in Saudi Arabia. However, you are dismissing roughly 1 billion muslims mostly living in 3rd world country and would give anything to live in a holy land. Not every country is obligated to cater to western ideals/needs. Plus, millions of Arabs who are diminished in their homeland and cannot build fortune for themselves can immigrate to Saudi Arabia, which is heavy consumer market, and I can totally see Egyptian, Indonesian, Indian, etc... businesses popping up and generating revenue to our economy.
Regarding tourism, I think our unique culture will be more of attractive feature rather than something that hinder our tourism industry. Aside from religious tourists, there are many adventurers and travel-loving people who would love to go to Saudi Arabia and experience something different. It will be something similar to Cuba, which is currently experiencing sharp surge of tourists coming to their country.
Your typical sunny-beach tourist sites such as S. America or modern-day city offering all kinds of extravagance such as Dubai and Singapore are terrible way to construct your tourism industry. Instead of having to compete with already-established tourist sites, it is much easier and safer to create unique experience to offer to the world.
The only danger that face Saudi Arabia tourism industry is the retarded religious police. Luckily, they are slowly stripped away from their power and soon will no longer be threat.
Very good thought provoking post. As a Western idealist I would be very interested to visit the real Saudi Arabia. I'm a bit sceptical about the house of Saud following all those tv documentaries, but your post puts the Muslim world into neat perspective.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 11:12 PM   #14912
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 12:37 AM   #14913
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 02:19 AM   #14914
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Der Spiegel reports that the Bin Laden Group is firing up to 90,000 workers. What's going on?

EDIT: The WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-bi...ite-1462193499

Saudi Binladin Group Lays Off 50,000 as Low Oil Prices Bite
Saudi Arabian company cuts a quarter of its workforce, mostly construction-site workers from Asia
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 03:14 AM   #14915
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Govt stopped paying contracts.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 03:29 AM   #14916
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Govt stopped paying contracts.
Actually the government stopped giving the Bin-laden company new contracts, that's why they're in huge trouble.
They're a private company.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 03:56 AM   #14917
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Der Spiegel reports that the Bin Laden Group is firing up to 90,000 workers. What's going on?

EDIT: The WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-bi...ite-1462193499

Saudi Binladin Group Lays Off 50,000 as Low Oil Prices Bite
Saudi Arabian company cuts a quarter of its workforce, mostly construction-site workers from Asia
punishment for their stupid crane accident last Hajj. People died because of that company.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 08:16 AM   #14918
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A spokesperson from Binladin Holding Co has responded to ConstructionWeekOnline's queries about the job cuts recently made by Saudi Binladin Group.

In an emailed statement, Yaseen Alattas, chief communications officer at Binladin Holding Co, said manpower adjustment is a "normal routine".

He continued: "Our manpower size is always proportional to the nature and scale of the undertaken projects, along with the time spans required to complete them.

"Adjusting the size of our manpower is a normal routine especially whenever projects are completed or near completion.

|Most of the released jobs had initially been recruited for contracted projects with specific time frame and deliverables," Alattas continued.

"We do understand that manpower reductions are never easy for all involved.

"However, the Group is honouring its commitments and the affected employees have already received their full compensations and any other entitlements in accordance with the applicable laws.

"We will honour the same commitment in case further manpower is released.”
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 04:58 PM   #14919
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Wow, really it´s very tall...
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 04:59 PM   #14920
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Actually the government stopped giving the Bin-laden company new contracts, that's why they're in huge trouble.
They're a private company.
The whole construction industry is having liquidity problems due to slow (or non) payment from the government. The worst hit are SBG and Oger, due to being particularly dependent on government contracts.

A good article on the topic: http://www.thenational.ae/business/p...filter-through
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