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Old May 19th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #15021
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The tower is all about ego just like burj Khalifa
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Old May 19th, 2016, 01:05 AM   #15022
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what is the point of building a 1 kilometer tower in the middle of an area with thousands of unused acres? So are they building it so tall to draw in tourism? Just to say they have the biggest one?

Just curious because it seems very uneconomical to build so tall in a location like this. The land value to cost to build ratio is very high.
Yeah there is no point of building it because it is in the middle of nowhere @[email protected]

God, I'm seriously starting to laugh every time when people repeat what you're saying again and again

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Old May 19th, 2016, 03:41 AM   #15023
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Yeah there is no point of building it because it is in the middle of nowhere @[email protected]

God, I'm seriously starting to laugh every time when people repeat what you're saying again and again

I'm starting to think fayzoon is a bot. He's just that predictable.

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what is the point of building a 1 kilometer tower in the middle of an area with thousands of unused acres? So are they building it so tall to draw in tourism? Just to say they have the biggest one?

Just curious because it seems very uneconomical to build so tall in a location like this. The land value to cost to build ratio is very high.
When you get this tall, revenue-generating floor area will never offset building costs. It's just too expensive. But I imagine land was the least expensive part of this whole project. That's why it's built on the outskirts of Jeddah, in the middle of nowhere (sorry fayzoon, the maps don't lie), where land is probably super cheap and nothing needs to be demolished. The revenue for this project will come from all the surrounding development. Jeddah Tower is literally a sales tool for the rest of Jeddah Economic City. Not how we do it in the US, but it sometimes works in other parts of the world.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 04:01 AM   #15024
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what is the point of building a 1 kilometer tower in the middle of an area with thousands of unused acres? So are they building it so tall to draw in tourism? Just to say they have the biggest one?

Just curious because it seems very uneconomical to build so tall in a location like this. The land value to cost to build ratio is very high.
None of the Worlds Tallest Buildings that were built during the past 100 years were built because lack of space on the site.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 06:11 AM   #15025
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I believe the sears tower was. Sears wanted to consolidate 350k workers in one location.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 07:41 AM   #15026
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I believe the sears tower was. Sears wanted to consolidate 350k workers in one location.
It should be a mistake with this number. 350k pax is a figure way too high, even for a large block of a densely stuffed towers.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 08:17 AM   #15027
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Yeah there is no point of building it because it is in the middle of nowhere @[email protected]

God, I'm seriously starting to laugh every time when people repeat what you're saying again and again

I just add each one to the ignore list. Reading the same unoriginal drivel over and over gets old.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 09:13 AM   #15028
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Old May 19th, 2016, 10:07 AM   #15029
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what is the point of building a 1 kilometer tower in the middle of an area with thousands of unused acres? So are they building it so tall to draw in tourism? Just to say they have the biggest one?

Just curious because it seems very uneconomical to build so tall in a location like this. The land value to cost to build ratio is very high.
Its quite a common tried and tested method in the Middle East. You get loads of land for really cheap, build something iconic so the value of the surrounding land shoots up and you make money out of that. The icon itself is never a profit making venture, the retail/commercial and residential space would be.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 12:32 PM   #15030
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...Look, the Middle East has existence other than the rest of the world...let them do what they want...as long as they stay there and enjoy what only they can enjoy. This is not negative or racist or bad...it's just that the rest of the world is different and long may it stay that way...I think they will agree so this shouldn't be a problem. Go in peace my friends.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 12:53 PM   #15031
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Its quite a common tried and tested method in the Middle East. You get loads of land for really cheap, build something iconic so the value of the surrounding land shoots up and you make money out of that. The icon itself is never a profit making venture, the retail/commercial and residential space would be.
This worked for Dubai and Burj Khalifa but will it have the same effect for Jeddah by Jeddah Tower?

When they built BK it was to beat Taipei 101 which was only 509m high, so the plan wasn't just to beat it but to "overbeat" it (It has a 62% more of the height of Taipei) and to create a shock factor and an icon for Dubai and this huge leap in height and new architectural achievement I believe caused the world to turn its head towards Dubai.

Jeddah Tower on the other hand is a beautiful tower with one very remarkable height achievement of reaching the 1000m mark. But Jeddah Tower is only around 172m taller than BK (with a 20% more of the height of BK) and Jeddah Tower is a brother to BK with its shape and form its a slimmer taller version of the latter which might be not as iconic as they wanted it to become.

Now with all this being said the question remains, will it have the same effect on Jeddah as it did for Dubai? Only time will tell.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 01:53 PM   #15032
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When you get this tall, revenue-generating floor area will never offset building costs. It's just too expensive.
Would that be true even if this tower didn't have such a huge part of unusable floor space?
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Old May 19th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #15033
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This worked for Dubai and Burj Khalifa but will it have the same effect for Jeddah by Jeddah Tower?

When they built BK it was to beat Taipei 101 which was only 509m high, so the plan wasn't just to beat it but to "overbeat" it (It has a 62% more of the height of Taipei) and to create a shock factor and an icon for Dubai and this huge leap in height and new architectural achievement I believe caused the world to turn its head towards Dubai.

Jeddah Tower on the other hand is a beautiful tower with one very remarkable height achievement of reaching the 1000m mark. But Jeddah Tower is only around 172m taller than BK (with a 20% more of the height of BK) and Jeddah Tower is a brother to BK with its shape and form its a slimmer taller version of the latter which might be not as iconic as they wanted it to become.

Now with all this being said the question remains, will it have the same effect on Jeddah as it did for Dubai? Only time will tell.
As I said before, there is no way the tower will exist without allowing foreign tourism and huge changes in system like allowing women driving in any possible manner

When that day comes, I assure you JT will have much more effect in Jeddah than BK's effect in Dubai. Just wait, and you will see what is the effect that I'm talking about ..
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Old May 19th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #15034
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When that day comes, I will surely visit KSA.
Not only to see JT, but to experience much of the country and it's culture.
I even hope to have a possibility to visit Mecca then (but I am not a Muslim...). I think it will be impressive.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #15035
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Its quite a common tried and tested method in the Middle East. You get loads of land for really cheap, build something iconic so the value of the surrounding land shoots up and you make money out of that. The icon itself is never a profit making venture, the retail/commercial and residential space would be.
100% correct and as a gentleman also said above me; only time can tell.

The big difference between Jeddah and Dubai is that Dubai hasn't really had any real competition in terms of tourism in the Middle East. Dubai has quite clearly gone to great lengths to become one of the globe's main tourist attractions - and they've succeeded.

Another incredibly valid question is; can Jeddah surpass Dubai in terms of tourism? Dubai didn't have much regional competition when it was up and coming... Jeddah does. In fact Jeddah has it's main rival in the country next door, and it's rival has had a BIG head-start .

We'll see...
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Old May 19th, 2016, 04:57 PM   #15036
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Would that be true even if this tower didn't have such a huge part of unusable floor space?
You know, that's a good question. I have no idea how the balance sheet would change if they didn't construct the spire portion. But the tapered design makes it difficult to maximize floor area. For instance:

Willis Tower: 108 occupied floors, 4.5 million square feet of floor area
Jeddah Tower: 167 occupied floors, 2.6 million square feet of floor area (according to the CTBUH, I'm guessing this is usable floor area).
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Old May 19th, 2016, 05:35 PM   #15037
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When that day comes, I will surely visit KSA.
Not only to see JT, but to experience much of the country and it's culture.
I even hope to have a possibility to visit Mecca then (but I am not a Muslim...). I think it will be impressive.
Mecca is only one part of larger picture. If Saudi Arabia government think straight and promote tourism, I guarantee you SA will easily be on bar if not on higher than cultural tourism in Europe. It really hurts to see so many historical sites ignored. We got diverse, modern Arabian cultures throughout SA as well as historical ones. Not to mention the pre-islamic era of Arabia we tend to ignore so that religious fanatics don't murder us.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #15038
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One thing that is different here is the time this is happening. When BK was being built oil had much more value than now and that had a big help to the growth.
But now Oil is much less valuable and that will make a challenge for Jeddah to reach Dubai.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 07:25 PM   #15039
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Well, the pace is getting even slower guys, its been 14 days since the last core jump and i haven't seen any core pour yet.
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Old May 19th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #15040
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When the towers around it gonna be built?
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