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Old May 23rd, 2016, 02:46 PM   #15061
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Even Dubai has no building density except where they have numerous supertalls hard up beside each other then miles of nothing...Nuts !
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 07:56 PM   #15062
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 11:18 PM   #15063
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Even Dubai has no building density except where they have numerous supertalls hard up beside each other then miles of nothing...Nuts !
you obviously never been to Dubai! There is nothing "nothing" between supertalls!
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 11:31 PM   #15064
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Old May 24th, 2016, 04:45 AM   #15065
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his standards are too low, thats all.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 01:12 PM   #15066
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I guarantee you SA will easily be on bar if not on higher than cultural tourism in Europe.
Really? I highly doubt that.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 04:30 PM   #15067
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I am having a feeling the construction cost will definitely double before the completion.
Is Calatrava behind the design of the tower?

Anyway, I wonder when they will start setting the facade.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #15068
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tall buildings usually happen in city centres in places with perfect access to jobs, transport, facilities, entertainment. They show where land is most valuable and where demand is highest to locate.

This tower is completely artificial because there is no demand to live here, there are no urban attractions. Its purely an exercise in engineering. It will never generate money in the long term (like a real city centre tower can). it will cost immense amounts of money to build, and maintain in such an unnatural location.

This is the very definition of UNSUSTAINABLE development.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 06:20 PM   #15069
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tall buildings usually happen in city centres in places with perfect access to jobs, transport, facilities, entertainment. They show where land is most valuable and where demand is highest to locate.

This tower is completely artificial because there is no demand to live here, there are no urban attractions. Its purely an exercise in engineering. It will never generate money in the long term (like a real city centre tower can). it will cost immense amounts of money to build, and maintain in such an unnatural location.

This is the very definition of UNSUSTAINABLE development.
Thank you for your input. You can find your umbrella next to the main exist.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 10:09 PM   #15070
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tall buildings usually happen in city centres in places with perfect access to jobs, transport, facilities, entertainment. They show where land is most valuable and where demand is highest to locate.

This tower is completely artificial because there is no demand to live here, there are no urban attractions. Its purely an exercise in engineering. It will never generate money in the long term (like a real city centre tower can). it will cost immense amounts of money to build, and maintain in such an unnatural location.

This is the very definition of UNSUSTAINABLE development.
Not true at all. While overall urban density will often track land price, large mixed use developments tend to go the opposite way because of economics and availability. It happened with Dubai (Downtown Dubai), KL (KLCC development), London (Canary Wharf), the list goes on..

An individual tower is more likely to be built in the centre (including Jeddah, where all other towers are being built either on the corniche or in the mid-town area), large mixed use developments on a masterplan by necessity are on the outskirts or in derelict/deprived areas.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #15071
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Canary Warf is NOT an example of this. London has height restrictions and view lines to deal with. The demand/land value is already there.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 01:06 AM   #15072
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Canary Warf is NOT an example of this. London has height restrictions and view lines to deal with. The demand/land value is already there.
The demand certainly was not. In 1980 London was a city with a declining population, large areas of the east end were derelict due to de-industrialisation following the closure of the London docks. LDDC was in many ways a desperate attempt at regeneration, which is why it was given unprecedented powers. The government even threw in tax incentives in the form of a specially created "enterprise zone".

And the early days were not very successful. It took until the late 80s and big bang to occur for any progress to happen and when the first buildings were completed in the early 90s demand had collapsed and One Canada Square and it's Canadian owners went bust. For much of the 90s it was seen as a failure.

BTW, if you look at the large developments in the city in response to OCS, they were mainly groundscrapers. The pressure to build upwards was not felt for a long time.

Canary Wharf's redemption was thanks to a second economic boom in the 2000s, bankruptcy resolution with new owners, and the introduction of the Jubilee line extension.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 05:29 AM   #15073
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BTW, if you look at the large developments in the city in response to OCS, they were mainly groundscrapers. The pressure to build upwards was not felt for a long time.

Canary Wharf's redemption was thanks to a second economic boom in the 2000s, bankruptcy resolution with new owners, and the introduction of the Jubilee line extension.
And me moving there from Hobart in 2004....
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Old May 25th, 2016, 01:51 PM   #15074
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Old May 25th, 2016, 02:29 PM   #15075
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Jeddah has 9 buildings above 90m and is #142 on the list of "The World's Best Skylines". Hong Kong is #1 with 3266 buildings above 90m.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 05:13 AM   #15076
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tall buildings usually happen in city centres in places with perfect access to jobs, transport, facilities, entertainment. They show where land is most valuable and where demand is highest to locate.

This tower is completely artificial because there is no demand to live here, there are no urban attractions. Its purely an exercise in engineering. It will never generate money in the long term (like a real city centre tower can). it will cost immense amounts of money to build, and maintain in such an unnatural location.

This is the very definition of UNSUSTAINABLE development.
And? Got a problem with it?
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Old May 26th, 2016, 12:03 PM   #15077
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Now there is a possibility that we're gonna have 1 jump for this month.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 02:24 PM   #15078
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Old May 26th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #15079
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Old May 26th, 2016, 07:20 PM   #15080
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