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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:45 PM   #15981
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Halted again, again and again... This tower should be 3 times taller already.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 01:19 PM   #15982
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Halted again, again and again... This tower should be 3 times taller already.
Early last month the construction group Saudi Binladin said the government had transferred “some payment” in the previous two weeks, allowing it to cover some back pay to its remaining staff.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-oil-revenues

There's a bit of a liquidity shortage at the moment, like the article mentions "some payments" were paid. What this project needs are unlimited finances so it can progress properly instead of a skeleton work force.

It can't be good when the countries finance minister gets sacked.

I said it before, and I'll say it again "Oil is not part of the economy, it is the economy".

Hope I could help in shinning some light on why the project is most likely stalling.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #15983
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Old November 13th, 2016, 02:32 PM   #15984
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It will continue in its construction but, NOT ALL WORKERS SALARIES PAID YET.

That's why it will remain in slow progress for some time.

And BTW, 2020 is still so long way in the future. May be this tower's height might be increased if the top tower's height designed again in a way that could increase its height easily to for example, 1200 m +. Maybe they are planning to finish it after the new tower in Dubai to make sure this one will end up being higher. I'm just expecting
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Old November 13th, 2016, 02:34 PM   #15985
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It will continue in its construction but, NOT ALL WORKERS SALARIES PAID YET.

That's it will remain in slow progress for some time.

And BTW, 2020 is still so long way in the future. May be this tower's height might be increased if the top tower's height designed again it a way that could increase its height easily to 1200 m +. Maybe they are planning to finish it after the new tower in Dubai to make sure this one will end up being higher. I'm just expecting
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Old November 13th, 2016, 02:38 PM   #15986
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a dramatic height increase is impossible at this stage.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 03:01 PM   #15987
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It will continue in its construction but, NOT ALL WORKERS SALARIES PAID YET.

That's it will remain in slow progress for some time.

And BTW, 2020 is still so long way in the future. May be this tower's height might be increased if the top tower's height designed again it a way that could increase its height easily to 1200 m +. Maybe they are planning to finish it after the new tower in Dubai to make sure this one will end up being higher. I'm just expecting
You could be right. Once the finances are in place things should be smooth with steady progress. Also if some workers left it could take time to replace them.

I think Gabreal is right the height of the building will be very hard to raise at this point. What needs to be asked is could KT's foundation handle a significant increase, and more weight? I think they took the max out of the current design.

Let it stay the way it is. Is not having the tallest building in the world not good enough? Why compete with a tower in Dubai which has endless potential just because it's a tower, plus the build has started after KT.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #15988
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a dramatic height increase is impossible at this stage.
The top tower is possible

It happened with BK in the latest stages

Maybe just a little increase is possible
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Old November 13th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #15989
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In BK the situation was different. Since it had a staircase design it was able to increase the height without ruining the design. But this tower with its type of tapering, can damage the design if the height is increased.

Also, a little increase is not enough. It will need much more to even be able compete with The Tower.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 04:42 PM   #15990
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Old November 13th, 2016, 04:50 PM   #15991
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In BK the situation was different. Since it had a staircase design it was able to increase the height without ruining the design. But this tower with its type of tapering, can damage the design if the height is increased.

Also, a little increase is not enough. It will need much more to even be able compete with The Tower.
The tower height is not known for sure, yet. No one knows

Plus, who told you that the top spire can not be stretched without affecting the design uniqeness? there are a lot of ways



That is not so much weight added

But, it's nice to see two towers rising together and competing in heights like these
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Old November 13th, 2016, 05:37 PM   #15992
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In BK the situation was different. Since it had a staircase design it was able to increase the height without ruining the design. But this tower with its type of tapering, can damage the design if the height is increased.

Also, a little increase is not enough. It will need much more to even be able compete with The Tower.
That type of stepping in buildings is called tiers, not stairs. Looking at the top ⅓ tiers of BK, I would rather think they've actually had to decrease the height before it topped out.

The height increase problem is very much solvable by using some standard architectural methods of developing the design. If an architect is restricted by the conditions he cannot influence, then he can turn the tables and use the limitation as an additional styling opportunity.

After the engineers of JT have made all calculations for the previously designed height and 1/5 of the height is done - it's a serious limitation, but it's a wonderful styling opportunity in case they decide to increase the height. Of course for this sake, they will have to discard the silly idea of a "sprout" symbolism and get prepared for an immense construction cost increase. Because keeping the existing foundation will dictate the necessity of using a lot more expensive materials, if they decide to increase the height significantly.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 07:04 PM   #15993
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The tower height is not known for sure, yet. No one knows

Plus, who told you that the top spire can not be stretched without affecting the design uniqeness? there are a lot of ways



That is not so much weight added

But, it's nice to see two towers rising together and competing in heights like these
If they did what you posted up ... Jeddah tower would not be a freestanding building anymore! It will go below the 50% occupancy threshold making this one a typical tower. That if it can be done in the first place.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #15994
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Also, 2 more serious issues: it will be really difficult for the maintenance personnel to perform their regular duties, if they will have to climb around 300+m with their equipment every time, using only narrow staircases and ladders, and it may actually prove unfeasible to erect such spire at such heights.

Plus, another ridiculous thing about it, which is just too obvious to talk about:

(gosh, I've been anticipating to use this smile somewhere for loooooong time )
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Old November 13th, 2016, 09:31 PM   #15995
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If they did what you posted up ... Jeddah tower would not be a freestanding building anymore! It will go below the 50% occupancy threshold making this one a typical tower. That if it can be done in the first place.
This is a list of tallest freestanding structures in the world past and present. To be freestanding a structure must not be supported by guy wires, the sea or other types of support. It therefore does not include guyed masts, partially guyed towers and drilling platforms but does include towers, skyscrapers (pinnacle height) and chimneys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ing_structures
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Old November 13th, 2016, 09:40 PM   #15996
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That list is not correct anymore, and has to be updated: Lotte World tower 555m, and PAFC 599m (at least).
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Old November 14th, 2016, 12:31 AM   #15997
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If they did what you posted up ... Jeddah tower would not be a freestanding building anymore! It will go below the 50% occupancy threshold making this one a typical tower. That if it can be done in the first place.
Even with 1200 m it is a freestanding building with more than 50% of the height are floors (remember that highest is around 670 m)
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Old November 14th, 2016, 02:45 PM   #15998
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I still can't understand why they have blocked the edges!
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Old November 15th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #15999
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I still can't understand why they have blocked the edges!
I suppose because the sloping design of the tower requires substantial wall reinforcement for the angles. I can't readily think of another way they could've done it easily to have perforated those walls without radically changing other aspects of the loading superstructure.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 01:27 AM   #16000
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Which dubai tower are you all talking about! haven´t heard of it yet, please let me know.
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