LYON - Stade des Lumières (61,556) - EURO 2016

[Pragmatus]

Hi viudix, here is the link to the thread in French :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343210

To reply to your questions :
Sport and entertainment facilities, hospitalities => Private investment
Transport facilities => Public investment

Turn over : an extra revenue of 50M - 60M per year

[Evil78]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

barca example isn't relevant

it's probably the only club which could sell more 100k tickets a game regularly (perhaps MU too)

...so could Real Madrid, and a few German clubs. Borussia Dortmund is selling 80.000 tickets regularly. Bayern has an average of 69k spectators, only because..... it's the maximum capacity of their stadium.
And based on which "studies" can you say which team can sell how many tickets? For example ALL the Premier League stadiums are sold out. It doesn't matter if 30k stadium or 70k. Basically it's only the capacity of these stadiums, which decides the average number of spectators per game.

[MS20]

Originally Posted by Evil78

For example ALL the Premier League stadiums are sold out. It doesn't matter if 30k stadium or 70k. Basically it's only the capacity of these stadiums, which decides the average number of spectators per game.

All EPL stadiums are sold out?

Do you actually watch the premier league?

[Evil78]

Originally Posted by MS20

All EPL stadiums are sold out?

Do you actually watch the premier league?

Ok. Maybe not all, but 85%.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

[viudix]

Originally Posted by Pragmatus

Hi viudix, here is the link to the thread in French :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343210

To reply to your questions :
Sport and entertainment facilities, hospitalities => Private investment
Transport facilities => Public investment

Turn over : an extra revenue of 50M - 60M per year

?
Aulas says the club revenue will be 100M, now with the gerland is 25M.
It would be incredibile spread for the lyon , over bayern munchen with allianz arena,emirates,etc...it's true?

[Pragmatus]

I am not 100% sure but I can't remember Aulas giving this figure of 100M. Where did you read / hear that ?

[viudix]

Web

http://archives-lepost.huffingtonpos...-surplace.html

[islessmore]

Originally Posted by CorliCorso

No, it's in Lyon

what's the wrong with roof!? all design great, also interior looks very good too

[tchastel]

Originally Posted by viudix

?
Aulas says the club revenue will be 100M, now with the gerland is 25M.
It would be incredibile spread for the lyon , over bayern munchen with allianz arena,emirates,etc...it's true?

That will never happen. First of all Aulas always tends to exagerate. For instance he is hoping for 15M for naming rights which is more than Arsenal gets... yeah right.... Secondly the club is broke so they had to sell 50% of the project to Vinci which will build it and get hald of the revenues..... Finally Lyon is not the team that it used to be and I think they will have a hard time filling that stadium....

[MS20]

Originally Posted by tchastel

That will never happen. First of all Aulas always tends to exagerate. For instance he is hoping for 15M for naming rights which is more than Arsenal gets... yeah right.... Secondly the club is broke so they had to sell 50% of the project to Vinci which will build it and get hald of the revenues..... Finally Lyon is not the team that it used to be and I think they will have a hard time filling that stadium....

Exaggeration or not, a new stadium greatly increases revenues, especially when you go from renting a municipal stadium to owning all revenue streams.

As for naming rights, its common knowledge that the terms of the Emirates sponsorship are below what Arsenal should be attracting. At the time however they needed a long term partner to help fund the stadium so the terms ended up being undervalued. He may not get 15m, but it could be substantial for the stadiums long term viability.

[Tommeur]

And one another delay:

http://www.football365.fr/france/inf...e-873591.shtml

It should be finished now in the second se(!)mester of 2014.

[Leo_Tyrell]

Those NIMBY talibans are really starting to piss me off.

I hope construction starts soon.

[repin]

[Tommeur]

Construction is on schedule and the Stade should be ready before the season 2015-2016 starts:

http://www.olweb.fr/fr/Accueil/10000...unique-du-club

In the beginning of october the next 'permis' (permission) should be signed so that the club can start with the terrassment.

[gincan]

Originally Posted by tommassi

Jeje. I live in Madrid. In fact, for the 15 years I've been living here, I've spent 2/3 living across the street from Santiago Bernabeu, and the other 1/3 across the street from Vicente Calderón.

If Real Madrid can't manage to get full attendance (as an average) for their games with 80,000 capacity, it sounds a bit delusional to think that they'd be able to do it with a stadium 25% bigger. It's not really a matter of prices. There're quite a few games for which you can find cheap tickets, but still they don't sell them out. Heck, I've been invited to LOADS of games because of my job (tickets by clients or providers) and even those seats ain't usually 100% occupied. Real Madrid (or Bacça, for that matter) will gather huge crowds for big games, no matter what the price is. And will gather not so big of a crowd with lesser rivals, again no matter the price.

25 years ago, when the only way to really be able to watch every single game of Real Madrid was to be a season ticket holder, then yes: with the appropriate pricing policy, they'd get 100,000 to show up to every game. Even 120,000. Now that you can get any game you want in TV for something like one euro, forget about it.

Which isn't necesarily bad. But it is what it is. And it's not just a thing with Madrid or Barça. Real Zaragoza (my team) used to be able to get up to 45,000 people in the stadium for a game in which they played for relegation. Now they didn't even get 33,000 five years ago, while almost qualifying for Champions League anb beating the hell out of Barça and Madrid in the King's Cup.

PD.- The only team I can think of getting more people to the stadium is Atlético Madrid, and not because of prices, but because getting to the games at Calderón can be a nightmare with traffic and public transport. Specially traffic (even in the Bernabeu most of the people will get there by car, which is something I won't ever understand). And maybe Athletic Bilbao, which plays in a stadium much smaller than it's fan base needs. The rest of them... even Valencia... I just don't see it.

There are many things that go into a team's success in attracting new audience, an attractive stadium, realistic ticket prices, accessibility etc. I don't buy the argument that cheap TV games steal audience from the stadiums.

In both England and Germany you have a 100 to 200% increase in average attendance for most clubs since the 1980s, some German teams have gone from 10-15.000 average to 40-50-60.000 average.

I'm convinced that a team like Zaragoza could fill a 40.000 and even a 50.000 capacity stadium consistently if the club took the right measures. In Germany for example some clubs have been very successfull in building new supporters by simply inviting schoolchildren and factory workers from the local city. This is a good long term strategy that have seen some German teams dubbling and trippling their attendance.

[seb73]

EXCLUSIF. Grand Stade de l'OL: les travaux débutent lundi

Les premiers coups de pioche sur le chantier du Grand Stade de l’OL à Décines sont pour ce lundi.


Même si l’Olympique Lyonnais et Vinci constructions n’ont pas encore signé le contrat, « nous avons pris la décision de démarrer lundi les travaux de terrassement » annonce Jean-Michel Aulas.
Bulldozers et camions vont donc commencer un ballet qui doit durer quatre mois pour le terrassement du chantier, la construction en elle-même ne devant intervenir qu’à partir du printemps.
Le site du Grand Montout est néanmoins en chantier depuis plusieurs mois, quand le Grand Lyon a commencé les travaux de déplacement des bassins de rétention qui longeaient la rocade Est.
D’un coup de 381 millions d’euros HT, le stade devrait être livré dans un délai de trente mois, l’OL ayant prévu de débuter la saison 2015/2016 dans son nouvel écrin de 58 000 places.
Un recours sur le permis de construire doit néanmoins être examiné par le tribunal administratif de Lyon en décembre. Si les juges agréaient la demande des opposants, le chantier pourrait devoir être arrêté.
Mais lundi, c’est un coup d’accélérateur qu’il va d’abord prendre.

http://www.leprogres.fr/rhone/2012/1...tier-des-lundi

[Hansadyret]

So what does it say for those of us not speeking fluid french.

[timo9]

Originally Posted by Tommeur

Construction is on schedule and the Stade should be ready before the season 2015-2016 starts:

http://www.olweb.fr/fr/Accueil/10000...unique-du-club

In the beginning of october the next 'permis' (permission) should be signed so that the club can start with the terrassment.

Finally a good news!

[timo9]

Originally Posted by Hansadyret

So what does it say for those of us not speeking fluid french.

The intial works on the site will begin on Monday according to OL chairman.

[ory26]

Originally Posted by seb73

http://www.leprogres.fr/rhone/2012/1...tier-des-lundi

Finally!! Great news.