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Old August 11th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #261
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I actually think the SHoP proposal looks nice.
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Old August 11th, 2017, 07:30 PM   #262
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NYC needs a brand new airport, something like that of Denver !
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Old August 11th, 2017, 10:30 PM   #263
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I actually think the SHoP proposal looks nice.
It looks better than what we are getting I think but far costlier with that roof. The endless white of the new terminal is pretty uninspiring and could do with some color here and there..

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Old August 11th, 2017, 10:31 PM   #264
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NYC needs a brand new airport, something like that of Denver !
Where would you put it? There really isn't any place available.
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Old August 11th, 2017, 10:38 PM   #265
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One thing to add—if you look closely at the first picture of the SHoP plan, you can see that the eastern side of the terminal (bottom left of the picture) has a ferry terminal integrated into the main building. IMO, that's the right way to integrate ferry service to the airport. There's no way I'd ever take a ferry to the airport if it meant getting off at Terminal A and having to take an unreliable shuttle to the main terminal buildings.

The only way a ferry can be competitive with 7 train > AirTrain is if it went directly into the main terminal complex.
Depends on where it leaves from in Manhattan and how fast it is. It could be faster for some folks that are far from the 7. Also, isn't the Airtain going be going to the A terminal? I'd enjoy taking a Ferry as it would be more relaxing then the subway. We'll have to wait and see the times on it.

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Old August 12th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #266
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Other design competition finalist entries for LGA

Besides SHoP Arc entry, there were also

Present Architecture:
http://presentarchitecture.com/proje...rt-masterplan/

Dattner:
http://www.dattner.com/portfolio/por...n-master-plan/

On the current scheme, a presentation from February:
https://www.slideshare.net/francisto...rl-galioto-hok

Enough eye candy for now ;-)
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Old August 12th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #267
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Besides SHoP Arc entry, there were also

Present Architecture:
http://presentarchitecture.com/proje...rt-masterplan/

Dattner:
http://www.dattner.com/portfolio/por...n-master-plan/

On the current scheme, a presentation from February:
https://www.slideshare.net/francisto...rl-galioto-hok

Enough eye candy for now ;-)
Nice of you to track those down. I was too lazy to find all of them earlier.

One thing that these other plans don't seem to have is a piecemeal way to build the terminal while tearing down the existing buildings. The headhouse > skybridge > concourse paradigm of the HOK plan allows the new and old sections to temporarily coexist as more new parts are built and more old parts are torn down. That doesn't seem possible in any of the other proposals.
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Old August 14th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #268
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Where would you put it? There really isn't any place available.
Stewart International Airport.

Expand it! Building world-class one with direct 1 high speed rail link to Grand Central!
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Old August 14th, 2017, 02:15 AM   #269
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Stewart International Airport.

Expand it! Building world-class one with direct 1 high speed rail link to Grand Central!
This!!
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Old August 15th, 2017, 05:07 AM   #270
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This!!
A long way away from NYC!

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Old August 15th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #271
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FYI, a new thread for the LGA redevelopment has been created ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Old August 15th, 2017, 10:27 PM   #272
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A long way away from NYC!
no its not, an hour on amtrak
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Old August 15th, 2017, 11:25 PM   #273
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How are they planning to segregate the arrivals and the departure circulation through the bridges? Hope they don't repeat the Abu Dhabi afterthought!

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How are they planning to segregate the arrivals and the departure circulation through the bridges? Hope they don't repeat the Abu Dhabi afterthought!

Due to the 1,500 mile perimeter rule and proximity to JFK and EWR, all flights to LGA are domestic, except for flights from Canadian airports with U.S. pre-clearance, which arrive as de facto domestic flights. There's no need to segregate arrivals and departures.
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Old August 16th, 2017, 08:19 AM   #275
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no its not, an hour on amtrak
No, Amtrak doesn't go to Stewart, it goes to Beacon. Add on another half an hour for bus transfer, etc. I checked the schedule and it's more like 1:30 mins to Beacon from Penn.

Stewart will most likely remain a small little airport for a long time.

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Old August 17th, 2017, 10:15 PM   #276
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No, Amtrak doesn't go to Stewart, it goes to Beacon. Add on another half an hour for bus transfer, etc. I checked the schedule and it's more like 1:30 mins to Beacon from Penn.

Stewart will most likely remain a small little airport for a long time.
If you live in Manhattan in peak times it's takes you almost an hour just to get to terminal. I know Amtrak doesn't go directly to Stewart but half of times it's as convenient to fly from Stewart sometimes OR you can take a direct bus from NY too. Norwegian Air flies from there already but that because it's cheaper for them.
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Old August 18th, 2017, 08:10 AM   #277
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If you live in Manhattan in peak times it's takes you almost an hour just to get to terminal. I know Amtrak doesn't go directly to Stewart but half of times it's as convenient to fly from Stewart sometimes OR you can take a direct bus from NY too. Norwegian Air flies from there already but that because it's cheaper for them.
how does it take you an hour by train to the terminal if the quickest times on the schedule are around 1:20 minutes to Beacon station? Are you talking about Bus?
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Old August 18th, 2017, 02:41 PM   #278
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The solution to fixing JFK is pretty easy but would take some time.

1. Close down 04R/22L and move the cargo facility to that area.
2. Build a new runway parallel to 13L/31R in place of the current cargo facility.
3. Fill in the bay and build a new runway parallel to 13R/31L.
4. close 04L/22R
5. Build 2 midfield terminals in place of 04L/22R

The other solutions I have seen would require demolishing half the airport.

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Old August 18th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #279
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The solution to fixing JFK is pretty easy but would take some time.

1. Close down 04R/22L and move the cargo facility to that area.
2. Build a new runway parallel to 13L/31R in place of the current cargo facility.
3. Fill in the bay and build a new runway parallel to 13R/31L.
4. close 04L/22R
5. Build 2 midfield terminals in place of 04L/22R

The other solutions I have seen would require demolishing half the airport.
It's not as easy as that at all, and I don't know why you are making it sound so simple. Cross wind runways gone, what happens when the wind turns? What about LaGuardia to the North West? That will impact flow on your North West flowing runway scheme curtailing capacity of those 4 runways. How do you get the wetland protection overturned in NYC? Unlikely. Nothing is simple in NYC when it comes to infrastructure and politics.

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Old August 19th, 2017, 06:10 AM   #280
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No, Amtrak doesn't go to Stewart, it goes to Beacon. Add on another half an hour for bus transfer, etc. I checked the schedule and it's more like 1:30 mins to Beacon from Penn.

Stewart will most likely remain a small little airport for a long time.
That's why we need to be ambitious and build a High Speed Rail with direct access to Grand Central from Stewart.

If you've been to Incheon in South Korea, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
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