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Old August 19th, 2017, 08:33 PM   #281
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Its not without precedent for a big crowded city that has outgrown it's airport to build a new one a ways out and connect it to the city with a HSR line. Hong Kong and Beijing come to mind. But the undertaking is huge, and it's probably cheaper just to upgrade existing facilities. NYC seems to be full steam ahead on the latter.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 12:35 AM   #282
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Seoul airport, HK airport, etc.. can't really compare.. Stewart is quite different.

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Old August 20th, 2017, 03:34 AM   #283
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These restart from scratch approaches usually don't work as well as you might think—take Tokyo Narita airport, for example. The airport is substantially farther than Haneda and is a greenfield airport but passenger data suggests Haneda is still vastly preferred for most flights.

JFK, EWR, and LGA have the potential to be a fantastic airport system. Why start over if moderate improvements to the current airports (huge improvements in the case of LGA) will deliver a better and closer solution?
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Old August 20th, 2017, 04:14 AM   #284
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These restart from scratch approaches usually don't work as well as you might think—take Tokyo Narita airport, for example. The airport is substantially farther than Haneda and is a greenfield airport but passenger data suggests Haneda is still vastly preferred for most flights.

JFK, EWR, and LGA have the potential to be a fantastic airport system. Why start over if moderate improvements to the current airports (huge improvements in the case of LGA) will deliver a better and closer solution?
JFK/EWR/LGA work well, but are reaching capacity I believe according to studies. They need more capacity someday down the line if those forecasts are correct. Current improvements won't really improve that.

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Old August 22nd, 2017, 05:09 PM   #285
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Its not without precedent for a big crowded city that has outgrown it's airport to build a new one a ways out and connect it to the city with a HSR line. Hong Kong and Beijing come to mind. But the undertaking is huge, and it's probably cheaper just to upgrade existing facilities. NYC seems to be full steam ahead on the latter.
New York can't even afford to maintain the subway system, let alone improving it. How on earth is the city supposed to finance an airport system of the 21th century.

There was a lot of talk about rebuilding american crumbling infrastructure during Donald Trumps election. Yet after 6 months we haven't seen an iota of truth to that.

The 50 billion dollars Trump gave to Pentagon without them even asking for it would have gone a long way to fix the airport system in New York for example.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:20 AM   #286
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New York can't even afford to maintain the subway system, let alone improving it. How on earth is the city supposed to finance an airport system of the 21th century.

There was a lot of talk about rebuilding american crumbling infrastructure during Donald Trumps election. Yet after 6 months we haven't seen an iota of truth to that.

The 50 billion dollars Trump gave to Pentagon without them even asking for it would have gone a long way to fix the airport system in New York for example.
Well.. the current work on the airports shows that they are least doing better than the subway, lol. Subway is falling apart but at least LaGuardia is being rebuilt and JFk is on the ticket next.

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Old October 5th, 2017, 07:26 AM   #287
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Mott MacDonald and Grimshaw are in team chosen for $10bn JFK airport makeover

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A team led by consulting engineer Mott MacDonald and Grimshaw Architects has been chosen to develop a $10bn extension of New York’s JFK airport.

According to Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Advisory Panel, the group will lead the “creation of a seamless, interconnected terminal system”, overhaul the “roadway access network to reduce time-consuming bottlenecks”, enhance the JFK AirTrain and develop “modern cargo facilities” and “aeronautical infrastructure”.

http://www.globalconstructionreview....chosen-10bn-j/
About time something about the disjointed layout of the terminals is going to happen.

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Old October 16th, 2017, 03:39 PM   #288
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Ukraine International outlines Boeing 777 service from 1Q18

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Ukraine International Airlines in the first quarter of 1Q18 is launching Boeing 777 service, including the 3-4-3 layout in Economy Class. Planned 777 operation as follow.

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Kiev Borispil – New York JFK eff 25MAR18 1 daily
PS231 KBP1100 – 1420JFK 777 D
PS232 JFK0030 – 1720KBP 777 D

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Operational schedule for Beijing and New York listed above is valid during peak season
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...ice-from-1q18/
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Old October 16th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #289
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UAI is getting 777 ? That's cool!
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Will get 4 starting from January 2018.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 01:24 AM   #291
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Nobody gives a much of a darn about NY airports on here, even when big changes are happening. Thread is mostly dead. JFK is about to get a 10 billion dollar makeover by Grimshaw, one of the most famous airport designers in the world, and nobody seems to be interested..Laguardia is being rebuilt too. Strange, but then again, this isn't much of an aviation website.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 01:59 AM   #292
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Will get 4 starting from January 2018.
Good for Ukraine.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 03:34 AM   #293
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I would definitely prefer a renovation/makeover rather than a completely new airport.. I have looked at Google Maps for the longest time and there just isn't anywhere to put it.. I think a lot of the inlets, bays, and marshy type areas around JFK and out on Long Island are protected.. even trying to "reclaim" the land or put it out in the ocean would be extremely problematic..

Most of the new world airports (ones that are reaching these giant capacities) are being built by nations that are developing at quite a rapid rate... they have the space to do so as well.. A lot of the Mideast nations and China; the Government is probably footing the bill entirely. And China can seize anything.. their citizens don't own the land.. America is more of a mixture when it comes to footing the bill.. bonds, taxes, airline fees, federal assistance.. I couldn't imagine our government trying to buy the land needed in the New York City area and building a new airport.. How much would 5,000 acres (current size of JFK airport) in the New York City area cost? and that doesn't really include the property on them.. the property values are too high..

It might be just hard to figure out capacity and how the structures of JFK help with capacity or hurt it.. Most of these new airports have all their runways running parallel (and like 4-7 runways).. meaning aircraft don't have to cross air paths; and after they are a mile or two out of the airport they converge into a single air path..which keeps things more orderly and operations efficient.. Runways have a lot to do with it; O'Hare could probably easily be the most trafficked; but the airport's 8 runways are just so mixed up and cross each other.. if all the runways were parallel; they could probably reach 100M+ easy..

I also think the new airports have this status quo design going on.. kind of like this sting-ray looking structure with several stingers.. and maybe that is more efficient? modern? I don't know how much actual design plays into efficiency or capacity.. JFK could be just as efficient with 8 terminals than 1 large one...So I am just saying don't let those giant one-roofed terminals overseas make you think.. well JFK is a mess, look at it.. it so departmentalized.. moving passengers around the airport through terminals is important, yes.. but the distance might be the same between gates.. it just might look better..yea.
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Yeah, JFK is an outdated design and nothing much can be done to change that now especially with the airfield. I'm interested to see what these people propose, because there are a few terminals that are just not acceptable today (T2, T7, T1). Destroying everything and building from the ground up would be the best, but there is no way that will happen with the current budget.

O'hare has 6 parallel runways on the way if you didn't know. The focus on number on runways is not necessary the most important thing as Heathrow and Dubai get away with 2 and process larger passenger numbers. Scheduling larger planes will give JFK room to grow.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:33 PM   #295
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Nobody gives a much of a darn about NY airports on here, even when big changes are happening. Thread is mostly dead. JFK is about to get a 10 billion dollar makeover by Grimshaw, one of the most famous airport designers in the world, and nobody seems to be interested..Laguardia is being rebuilt too. Strange, but then again, this isn't much of an aviation website.
For the rebuilding of LGA, there's a link upthread about a new thread covering that and containing the current renderings. Perhaps the moderator could merge the two threads? I'm sure that when pictures from the reconstruction that give a feel for the new bioldings are made public, they'll be shared here. For the moment, the construction photos on the airport website show mostly skeel skeletons.
For the plans about redesigning JFK, well, neither the governor nor the architect have released any renderings since the appointment of Grimshaw.
I guess that's why this thread appears so dead for the moment.

I'm as interested as anyone frequenting this thread about new airport buildings, and scour the web for what might be out there, but there's just nothing noteworthy at the moment for LGA and JFK.
For EWR, you could have a look at
https://www.pgal.com/projects/termin...al-airport-ewr
which apparently is the next construction project to begin at a New York area airport.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:32 AM   #296
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That Newark terminal looks decent. That place definitely needs a modernization, it looks like 1975.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 08:10 AM   #297
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That Newark terminal looks decent. That place definitely needs a modernization, it looks like 1975.
Yeah, I think it's time for change. They have to be renovation the entire EWR terminals.
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 11:10 PM   #298
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Why has Newark not built a parallel runway to the west? The land is there, you would just have to move the beer factory but otherwise there is enough land to build a runway long enough for planes up to B737/A320 size. It would add tons of capacity to the airport.
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Why has Newark not built a parallel runway to the west? The land is there, you would just have to move the beer factory but otherwise there is enough land to build a runway long enough for planes up to B737/A320 size. It would add tons of capacity to the airport.
That brewery is the issue. The place is not moving anytime soon as it is valuable for the city. Also NIMBYs around the airport would put a hold to any further runway development. It's very hard to build a new runway today in dense areas.
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Old November 5th, 2017, 03:41 AM   #300
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Yeah, I think it's time for change. They have to be renovation the entire EWR terminals.
They already recently renovated B and C.
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