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Old September 22nd, 2007, 06:08 PM   #1
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Katowice - the small BIG city

Katowice (population about 300 000, in metro area 3 milions citizens) in the south of Poland. The capital of Upper Silesia and Silesian Voivodship. The richest city in Poland (peoples in Katowice has got 40 pences more than people in Warsaw in the GUS counting). Today cityviews, tommorrow photos from city:

Big and beautiful photo of city and metro area
Photo from ING skyscraper
A4 highway in the suburbs of Katowice

Drogowa Trasa Średnicowa in Katowice (build)

Stalexport Towers

Koszutka District

City

Drapacz Chmur - first skyscraper in Poland and Central Europe (65 metres)

Kukurydze in Katowice

Cheap Districts

Wojewodzki near A4

Stars

Tauzen

Chorzowska Street

The end of a day

Chorzowska Street

A4 highway

City center from far away

Center

Center from mountain in Bedzin

Old pictures


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Old September 24th, 2007, 11:54 AM   #2
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so ... where are all these scrapers?
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Old September 24th, 2007, 04:24 PM   #3
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In every picture buildings is taller than 60 metres. 60 metres and more are skyscrapers
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Old September 24th, 2007, 09:05 PM   #4
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New pictures of Katowice

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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #5
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The first Poland/central europa skyscraper building counts 15 floors or so, can't imagine it to be 65 meters..more 45 meters,anyway,looks like a big city though, love the shots from air
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:39 PM   #6
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Yes, but it was a very luxury building and floors was tall (?).
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #7
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4.3 m per floor? That's very tall For example, there is a building UC next door to me, counting 14 floors being 46 meters.

By the way, i see quite a lot of Poland cities, small and big, on the forums these days. They all seem very western European, luxuries and booming. that don't add up to the stories i here about Poland being (very) poor. How poor is Poland? Is it just the country side that's poor or do the cities have a lot of hidden ghetto's/slums? Or is it just a fairy tail?
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #8
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cool pics! Considering with industry...i see only those 2 big chimneys in the background that's good...industry is ugly.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:59 PM   #9
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Beautiful!
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Old September 25th, 2007, 06:09 PM   #10
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Poland has got very big contrasts. For example - in Katowice and Warsaw people have got 10 000 euro for month, in the East only 500 euro. In regions the richiest is Upper Silesia (Oberschlesien) - PKB of this region is comparable to East Lands in Germany, Portugal and the poorest regions in Spain, French and Austria. Poland is richier than Israel, Slovakia, Hungary but more poor than Germany, Finland, Spain. We have got a very big economy boom but we need gastrabaiters (a mix of German and English).
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And new pictures from City:
































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Old October 8th, 2007, 12:14 PM   #12
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"4.3 m per floor? That's very tall For example, there is a building UC next door to me, counting 14 floors being 46 meters"

It's got 17 storeys and is 62 meters tall (60 meters "to roof" structural height). It's been build in 1929-32 and for that time it was modern and flats were luxurious and spacious. Unfortunately lack of care during communism did the job and it doesn't look good now. That's common problem across all ex soviet block - things are getting better each day, but still there's a lot to be done before signs of communist economy dissapear. Refurbishing sloppy buildings, pavements, building roads - it takes time, but we're going the right way. BTW - Katowice got a lot of good architecture from modernism era, i hope it'll be shown in this thread.

"By the way, i see quite a lot of Poland cities, small and big, on the forums these days. They all seem very western European, luxuries and booming. that don't add up to the stories i here about Poland being (very) poor. How poor is Poland? Is it just the country side that's poor or do the cities have a lot of hidden ghetto's/slums? Or is it just a fairy tail?"

Well - it's a fairy tail. Of course level of life is worse than in Western Europe, but it's not that bad as most people think. I remember american film "Eurotrip" where capitol of Slovakia, Bratislava, was shown as 3rd world city, full of commieblocks and dirty people. I belive that's common stereotype about Central Europe. Here in CE we drive cheaper cars, buy smaller plasma TV's, spend less on holidays in warm countries, we got worse roads. But ordinary day doesn't look different than in Western Europe. Average net pay in Poland is about 400-500 euros (but 4example casier in supermarket or consierge earns only 2 max 3 hundreds, and that's very poor). That doesn't include unofiicial income, that's quite common in Poland due to high social security rates. In Czech Republic they earn a bit better. They've always been the most western from central Europe . With prices of goods and food in stores similar or a bit lower than those in Germany it makes living fine, but unlike in Germany ordinary worker can't afford new Mercedes here High skilled specialists or bussinesmen often earn similar to their western collegues and with lower prices of services, restaurants and hookers they can afford really good life. But like someone allready said - there's a lot of contrasts here. New buildings, luxury stores, expensive cars on the streets etc. on the one hand, sloppy blocks, poor paid unskilled workers, and lousy roads on the other. Well - that's how communism ends. Right after WW II heavily detroyed Poland had higher Per Capita Income than Austria, till early 70's was more wealthy (or rather "less poor") than Spain, Greece or Portugal. But they all had capitalism, and we had 45 yrs of lunar economy, that finished badly.

Poland got it's part in SSC, called "Forum Polskich Wieżowców". With link (to "miasta polskie - polish cities" section) below man can virtually discover polish cities and towns. I invite everyone, who wants to get rid of stereotypes. Knowledge of polish language is necessary to read, but You don't need it to watch Feel free to post in english if you want to say sth.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=639


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My friend's slightly exaggerating. Katowice actually is full of tall buildings, that can be formally called skyscrapers. But unlike in Warsaw, capitol of Poland, there are only few modern towers here. That's going to change soon, as developing boom just started in Katowice. We're expecting several modern, good design towers and some lower buildings within next 2-5 years, but so far topic of this thread may be slightly misleading.

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Old October 8th, 2007, 07:48 PM   #13
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Icons of Katowice

Until my colleague places next shots of our city I'll show several buildings characteristic for Katowice. Click on pic to full size in new window.
Stalexport twin towers - build in 70's, but I still find them the best designed office buildings in city. 99 and 92 meters tall:

Altus, the tallest building in city, 125 meters. I like simple design, but don't find this one pretty:

Monnumental building os Silesian Seym:

NIkiszowiec - antique distric build in the beginning of XX century for miners

Antique bus in Nikiszowiec

Spodek ("saucer") - multipurpose arena (sport, cultural, trade events etc), opened in 1971

Wyspiański's theater:

Uppersilesian Cultural Center - art gallery, theater, some pubs and seat of National Symphonic Orchestra. Word "lub" means "or" - don't ask me why it's there

Half-dome on main roundabout in the city. Holds inside art gallery and cafe. I still don't know if I like it or not

Giant igloo :

Main train station - used to be modern, now it's just dirty and stinky. Soon it's gonna be rebuild or demolished.

Fortunately in front of station it looks better:

Residential buildings - "Gwiazdy" ("Stars") and "Kukurydze" ("Corns", I live in one of them):



P.S.: I see some displaying troubles occur. But all pics work - if You see red cross click it anyway, new window will open.

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Old October 8th, 2007, 10:03 PM   #14
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Lovely pics. Katowice sure is a very interesting city!
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Old October 8th, 2007, 11:38 PM   #15
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Indeed, Katowice and metro area (Upper Silesian Industrial District) is interesting place. I belive it's for Poland what Birmingham with West Midlands is for UK. Manufacturing and engineering center, not popular among tourists. It's a shame, because this area got many interesting and beautiful buildings and places. Distric consists of more than 20 different cities and towns, and I love variety it offers. I'll show some shots from metro area later in other thread, now let's stick to Katowice. Spodek arena plays the melody (don't know actual word to describe melody played on clock towers etc. - what is it??) every full hour. As befits for a UFO's saucer... well, I'm sure each of You knows it, here's the link to short Yotube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qrk3BFOHY0

Sounds familiar?? THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!!!

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Old October 9th, 2007, 12:15 AM   #16
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Very bland city...depressing
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Old October 9th, 2007, 01:30 AM   #17
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Poland has got very big contrasts. For example - in Katowice and Warsaw people have got 10 000 euro for month, in the East only 500 euro. In regions the richiest is Upper Silesia (Oberschlesien) - PKB of this region is comparable to East Lands in Germany, Portugal and the poorest regions in Spain, French and Austria. Poland is richier than Israel, Slovakia, Hungary but more poor than Germany, Finland, Spain. We have got a very big economy boom but we need gastrabaiters (a mix of German and English).
10000 Euro per month??i dont believe that...maybe you mean per year?
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Old October 9th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #18
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He meant a 1000 Euro not 10.000. By the way Upper Silesia voivodship is actually one of the poorest regions in Poland, not the richest as SilesianSkyscraper said.

Katowice is very bland, infact quite possibly it's the worst looking city in Poland but that puts in a good position as it has been untapped by investors for a long time. They are coming though as there are at least 7 skyscrapers planned in the next 2 years. Old mines are shutting down and factories are being converted into entertainment centers and modern lofts.

Katowice's city center will undergo a massive re-planning in the near future. It's main railway station will also be morphed into a modern transportation center.
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Old October 9th, 2007, 10:40 AM   #19
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"By the way Upper Silesia voivodship is actually one of the poorest regions in Poland, not the richest as SilesianSkyscraper said"

Don't know why you say so. Numbers say different. Voivodship produces nearly 15% of national income, that's second largest rate behind capitol's voivodships with Warsaw. Upper Silesian and Lower Silesian voivodships got PCI higher than average in Poland, while most regions got lower than it. Warsaw and Katowice metro area are the most important payers for national budget. Wages in Katowice are best outside Warsaw, what's suprising for citizens of "trendy" cities like Cracow or Wrocław. Here's second (after Warsaw) largest R&D sector, here are the most developed roads in country. It's always been this way and just the lack of PR and sloppy train station make some people think different.
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Well, her's more of Katowice. Most shots show downtown, only few were taken in it's neighbourhood.
Nothing from suburbia, as I don't have interesting shots now, maybe later
I tried not to show the same buildings multiple time, only few are shown from different angles.
Downtown of Katowice mostly consists of pre WWII tenements:






















































Between downtown and suburbia:


Old coal mine in the heart of Katowice. Closed now, but it'll host Silesian Museum soon.
Old buildings gonna be refurbished, skylight cubes will be placed between them
to provide sunlight to underground museum halls:




Few nightshots:









Two main silesian library buildings:


Exemplary utility objects:
First one is - I think - the most ugly bulding in downtown, build in early 70's.
Owner negotiates with potential investors, so it'll be refurbished or - probably - replaced with modern tower within few years.
But so far it scares visitors right in the middle of the city.




Silesian Insurgents Monument (3 wings for 3 uprisings):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Uprisings


My neighbourhood:



So, that's about Katowice downtown.
There are several other buildings, build during communism, some sloppy,
some simply ugly. I'll show them later.
P.S.: Three shots were taken in Vienna, Austria. Guess which?

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