Seattle-area retail discussion - Page 5

citruspastels · September 29th, 2007, 08:22 PM

it's one reason i like urbanity!

and i don't see what the big deal is, he started the thread and now he turned the conversation to talk about trees. off-topic happens all the time and it's not like a flame war or anything. but wuteva

CrazyAboutCities · September 30th, 2007, 03:18 AM

I remember long time ago when I first moved to Seattle and read Seattle Times that Paul Allen wanted to build a shopping mall in South Lake Union neighborhood. I haven't hear anything about that since. Anyone knows about this? Is this project still alive or what?

taiwanesedrummer36 · September 30th, 2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyAboutCities

I remember long time ago when I first moved to Seattle and read Seattle Times that Paul Allen wanted to build a shopping mall in South Lake Union neighborhood. I haven't hear anything about that since. Anyone knows about this? Is this project still alive or what?

Yeah, like that's going to happen!

There is just no feasible way a shopping mall is going to be built down there. There's just not enough development that has occured or is dense enough to support a shopping center occupying a city block or two (assuming). When did you hear of this?

tablemtn · September 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM

With the strength of the Canadian dollar, I'd expect cross-border shopping trips and purchases to rise. Bellingham gets the benefits first, but we'll see how much of it trickles down into Seattle.

spongeg · October 2nd, 2007, 07:12 AM

i am going to the seattle outlet on friday!

yay

if anyone likes shopping talk there is a forum for Seattle-Vancouver google "mallvibes"

anyway I heard there is going to be a Saks 5th ave in bellevue square - is it taking over one of the dept stores or are they building more mall for it?

and there is rumour of a large mall in Blaine - mainly aimed to Canadians - anyone hear that one? something about going on indian reserve land

spongeg · October 2nd, 2007, 07:16 AM

what if they were to develop a mall like walnut creek in the bay area? in south lake union... or any area in seattle

taiwanesedrummer36 · October 2nd, 2007, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spongeg

i am going to the seattle outlet on friday!

yay

if anyone likes shopping talk there is a forum for Seattle-Vancouver google "mallvibes"

anyway I heard there is going to be a Saks 5th ave in bellevue square - is it taking over one of the dept stores or are they building more mall for it?

and there is rumour of a large mall in Blaine - mainly aimed to Canadians - anyone hear that one? something about going on indian reserve land

I really doubt the possibility of a large mall in Blaine. If you have driven past the Peace Arch Outlet Mall a couple miles south of Blaine, you know what i'm talking about. That mall is so.......just.........GHETTO (I know I said I wouldn't use that word anymore, but it really is)! The entire mall is vacant. Anyway, a drive down to Bellis-Fair or even the Seattle Premium Outlets isn't that bad, with the Canadian Loonie so freaking strong.

jiggawhat? · October 2nd, 2007, 04:11 PM

tiwaneese.....the outlet mall which was known to be the peace arch outlets is now the birch bay square. They have completely redone it and it looks good.

sequoias · October 2nd, 2007, 09:44 PM

http://birchbaysquare.com/ Here's the link of the new one that moved to a different location. I read that Peace Arch lost lot of stores and they moved away because of less people shopped at Peach Arch outlets, now they only have few stores open. It seems they're redeveloping the area to attract more people again with more general stores, not just factory outlet stuff.

spongeg · October 3rd, 2007, 03:45 AM

yeah the one half looks nice and the other is still needing a makeover

I drove past last week

looks like they have or are adding a hotel, bobs burger n brew will be there soon as well as a grocery store

Yeah I can't imagine Blaine being home to a huge mall but there has been talk up here about something going on in Blaine - of all places

maybe they could add a Trader Joes - trekking to Everret to get a trader joes fix sux

taiwanesedrummer36 · October 3rd, 2007, 05:38 AM

That's right, I forgot they changed the name. I haven't been to Vancouver in almost a year.

There is absolutely no way Blaine can support any major growth of any kind. The strong Canadian Loonie cannot last that long, and once the Canadian dollar busts, Blaine might become a ghost town. I mean, Canadians in Vancouver already have plenty of (cheap) retail and living opprotunities, especially in suburbs like White Rock, Surrey, Langley, and Abbottsford.

Capitol Hill · October 3rd, 2007, 06:11 PM

Trader Joe's opens in Bellingham soon, so no drive needed to Everett. Opening on the corner of James. St. and Alabama.

Capitol Hill · October 3rd, 2007, 11:05 PM

Back on to the shopping centers. If anybody has been to Factoria lately, they have drawings and diagrams up showing the changes that are going to take place, without any specifically named tenants. However, these signs have been up for quite some time, and there hasn't been much news lately about when this will be occuring. Anybody else heard anything else?

mhays · October 4th, 2007, 12:32 AM

I've heard that the 400 housing units at Factoria might start soon. Anyone keeping an eye on it?

spongeg · October 4th, 2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

Trader Joe's opens in Bellingham soon, so no drive needed to Everett. Opening on the corner of James. St. and Alabama.

hot

CrazyAboutCities · October 4th, 2007, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taiwanesedrummer36

Yeah, like that's going to happen!

There is just no feasible way a shopping mall is going to be built down there. There's just not enough development that has occured or is dense enough to support a shopping center occupying a city block or two (assuming). When did you hear of this?

That was over two years ago. I have been living here for almost three years now. Wow time gone fast by! Anyway, last time I heard that Paul Allen wanted to build around four stories shopping mall at somewhere in South Lake Union neighborhood. He didn't release the details of it and exactly location it would get built. I have a feeling that he might want to build it right next to S.L.U.T.

taiwanesedrummer36 · October 4th, 2007, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

Back on to the shopping centers. If anybody has been to Factoria lately, they have drawings and diagrams up showing the changes that are going to take place, without any specifically named tenants. However, these signs have been up for quite some time, and there hasn't been much news lately about when this will be occuring. Anybody else heard anything else?

After reviewing development plans for Factoria on the city of Bellevue's website, I have a guess that Bellevue plans to turn that area into an urban village. I remember images that showed pedestrian bridges connecting several mixed-use buildings at least 4 or more stories tall along Factoria Blvd.
Check it out....

-KwK345- · October 5th, 2007, 03:20 AM

Sorry to bring up the tree thing again but no one answered my questions.
Are trees cut down for development used for timber?

Is the shopping center situation pretty much the same in Portland?

citruspastels · October 5th, 2007, 08:45 AM

shopping? portland?

portland is all house parties and biking. damn hippies (coming from a seattlite, that's saying alot) ;-)

not really a shop-till-you-drop kinda place in my experience. some fun shops around downtown though. they don't have any sales tax, which is kinda neat.

but yeah good question about the trees. i'd assume sometimes it is used as timber if there is enough of it.

seattleist · October 5th, 2007, 09:01 AM

To answer your question (and hopefully this will be the end of it): of course trees cut down for development are used for timber. Mature trees can be worth tens of thousands of dollars each, especially cedars.

A heavily wooded lot may be assessed by a professional to estimate the worth of the trees on the property. A tree's height can be estimated using simple trigonometry, the circumference of the tree is measured, and the market value of each type of wood is then applied to an equation to estimate the value of each tree.

Again, though, there are not many heavily wooded lots for development left in the area, and it is discouraged to cut down too many trees during development. For instance, I think the Redmond Ridge/Trilogy master planned community was able to keep around 60-70% of its original trees.

October 3rd, 2007, 05:38 AM	#91
taiwanesedrummer36 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Little Taipei, Everett Posts: 1,047 Likes (Received): 0	That's right, I forgot they changed the name. I haven't been to Vancouver in almost a year. There is absolutely no way Blaine can support any major growth of any kind. The strong Canadian Loonie cannot last that long, and once the Canadian dollar busts, Blaine might become a ghost town. I mean, Canadians in Vancouver already have plenty of (cheap) retail and living opprotunities, especially in suburbs like White Rock, Surrey, Langley, and Abbottsford. __________________ Everett/Snohomish County Development News Thread

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September 29th, 2007, 08:22 PM	#81
citruspastels Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 690 Likes (Received): 3	it's one reason i like urbanity! and i don't see what the big deal is, he started the thread and now he turned the conversation to talk about trees. off-topic happens all the time and it's not like a flame war or anything. but wuteva

September 30th, 2007, 03:18 AM	#82
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,328 Likes (Received): 15	I remember long time ago when I first moved to Seattle and read Seattle Times that Paul Allen wanted to build a shopping mall in South Lake Union neighborhood. I haven't hear anything about that since. Anyone knows about this? Is this project still alive or what?

September 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM	#84
tablemtn Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 17	With the strength of the Canadian dollar, I'd expect cross-border shopping trips and purchases to rise. Bellingham gets the benefits first, but we'll see how much of it trickles down into Seattle.

October 2nd, 2007, 07:12 AM	#85
spongeg Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Coquitlam/Rainbow Lake Posts: 7,573 Likes (Received): 1	i am going to the seattle outlet on friday! yay if anyone likes shopping talk there is a forum for Seattle-Vancouver google "mallvibes" anyway I heard there is going to be a Saks 5th ave in bellevue square - is it taking over one of the dept stores or are they building more mall for it? and there is rumour of a large mall in Blaine - mainly aimed to Canadians - anyone hear that one? something about going on indian reserve land

October 2nd, 2007, 07:16 AM	#86
spongeg Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Coquitlam/Rainbow Lake Posts: 7,573 Likes (Received): 1	what if they were to develop a mall like walnut creek in the bay area? in south lake union... or any area in seattle

October 2nd, 2007, 04:11 PM	#88
jiggawhat? Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 807 Likes (Received): 2	tiwaneese.....the outlet mall which was known to be the peace arch outlets is now the birch bay square. They have completely redone it and it looks good.

October 2nd, 2007, 09:44 PM	#89
sequoias Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midwest US Posts: 1,601 Likes (Received): 0	http://birchbaysquare.com/ Here's the link of the new one that moved to a different location. I read that Peace Arch lost lot of stores and they moved away because of less people shopped at Peach Arch outlets, now they only have few stores open. It seems they're redeveloping the area to attract more people again with more general stores, not just factory outlet stuff.

October 3rd, 2007, 03:45 AM	#90
spongeg Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Coquitlam/Rainbow Lake Posts: 7,573 Likes (Received): 1	yeah the one half looks nice and the other is still needing a makeover I drove past last week looks like they have or are adding a hotel, bobs burger n brew will be there soon as well as a grocery store Yeah I can't imagine Blaine being home to a huge mall but there has been talk up here about something going on in Blaine - of all places maybe they could add a Trader Joes - trekking to Everret to get a trader joes fix sux

October 3rd, 2007, 06:11 PM	#92
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,376 Likes (Received): 156	Trader Joe's opens in Bellingham soon, so no drive needed to Everett. Opening on the corner of James. St. and Alabama.

October 3rd, 2007, 11:05 PM	#93
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,376 Likes (Received): 156	Back on to the shopping centers. If anybody has been to Factoria lately, they have drawings and diagrams up showing the changes that are going to take place, without any specifically named tenants. However, these signs have been up for quite some time, and there hasn't been much news lately about when this will be occuring. Anybody else heard anything else?

October 4th, 2007, 12:32 AM	#94
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,344 Likes (Received): 115	I've heard that the 400 housing units at Factoria might start soon. Anyone keeping an eye on it?

October 5th, 2007, 03:20 AM	#98
-KwK345- My user title is the bomb Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 649 Likes (Received): 0	Sorry to bring up the tree thing again but no one answered my questions. Are trees cut down for development used for timber? Is the shopping center situation pretty much the same in Portland?

October 5th, 2007, 08:45 AM	#99
citruspastels Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 690 Likes (Received): 3	shopping? portland? portland is all house parties and biking. damn hippies (coming from a seattlite, that's saying alot) ;-) not really a shop-till-you-drop kinda place in my experience. some fun shops around downtown though. they don't have any sales tax, which is kinda neat. but yeah good question about the trees. i'd assume sometimes it is used as timber if there is enough of it.

October 5th, 2007, 09:01 AM	#100
seattleist Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 77 Likes (Received): 0	To answer your question (and hopefully this will be the end of it): of course trees cut down for development are used for timber. Mature trees can be worth tens of thousands of dollars each, especially cedars. A heavily wooded lot may be assessed by a professional to estimate the worth of the trees on the property. A tree's height can be estimated using simple trigonometry, the circumference of the tree is measured, and the market value of each type of wood is then applied to an equation to estimate the value of each tree. Again, though, there are not many heavily wooded lots for development left in the area, and it is discouraged to cut down too many trees during development. For instance, I think the Redmond Ridge/Trilogy master planned community was able to keep around 60-70% of its original trees.