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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:08 PM   #21
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i think this thread is about best dive sites nothing more , nothing less.

btw how would you know that no one dives in Sulu and Tawi-Tawi? maybe they are not " listed" but sure do from the tourist destinations in Sabah they explored the islands of Sulu and Tawi-Tawi even the President and her family did some exploring there .
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:13 PM   #22
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did i ever say nobody is diving in sulu? read the previous posts, nobody ever denied your claim that there are divers diving in sulu, the place has a big potential, but its just not the right time to put them among the best/top/most popular list, and i agree with most of the listed sites in post#1, theyre officially the country's best...

but respecting your opinion, i wouldnt argue if you put them among your "personal" best list.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:21 PM   #23
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well in your equation no security= less divers or no one dives ," best divers" dives when there are great dive site to explore imo

anyway where not getting anywhere , i am not against any places i just want the facts and not a portion of the Philppines.

and i think malapascua and Coron deserve on top of subic bay .
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well in your equation no security = less divers or no one dives.
this is so true, which brings us to why sulu and tawitawi is not on the list.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #25
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naku pina palito mo naman ako ...
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #26
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ikaw ang gumawa ng equation, its not from me, im agreeing more on the "less divers" than on the "no one dives" statement, okay?
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:36 PM   #27
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did i ever say nobody is diving in sulu? read the previous posts, nobody ever denied your claim that there are divers diving in sulu, the place has a big potential, but its just not the right time to put them among the best/top/most popular list, and i agree with most of the listed sites in post#1, theyre officially the country's best...

but respecting your opinion, i wouldnt argue if you put them among your "personal" best list.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:37 PM   #28
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read post #26 dinabaw... parang ako ata malilito sayo
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Old September 24th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #29
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hehe bro nalilito ka kasi you didn't get my point alisin nga natin yan "security issue" i think thats bothering you lets focus on the best diving site in PI ... ok i say it again how would you know that there are less or no divers diving in Sulu ? you have a list? please don't bother by that "no divers " its just a figurative statement

and i say it again Malapascua and Coron deserve on top of Subic Bay get it?

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Old September 24th, 2007, 06:00 PM   #30
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i do TOTALLY get your point, maski haluan pa natin ng ibang issues other than security, i still get your point, ang hindi ko lang maintindihan is why youre so bothered why sulu is not on the list, hihimayin ko ng isa isa

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how would you know that there are less or no divers diving in Sulu ? you have a list?
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"did i ever say nobody is diving in sulu? read the previous posts, nobody ever denied your claim that there are divers diving in sulu, the place has a big potential, but its just not the right time to put them among the best/top/most popular list"

lagyan pa natin ng translation para mas maintindihan mo yung sagot ko, okay?

"wala akong sinabi na walang nag didive sa sulu, basahin mo yung mga previous posts dahil wala namang kumokontra sa sinasabi mong may mga divers sa sulu, malaki ang potensyal ng lugar pero hindi ngayon ang tamang panahon na mailagay siya sa best/top/most popular list"

there are divers in sulu, true, pero hindi na natin kailangan ng proof to know na sulu attracts less divers compared to the 10 listed on post#1 kaya nga sila napasali sa listed 10 dahil theyre the best and most popular in the country.

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and i say it again Malapascua and Coron deserve on top of Subic Bay get it?
so? may sinabi ba ako na dinedeny ko or nag aaprove ako sa view mo? its immaterial for me. never commented anything about this statement so why bother to ask me if i get it?
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Old September 25th, 2007, 01:04 AM   #31
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besides rage, who's only dove around cebu, it looks like i might be the only other diver to post on this thread.

if you took a poll among divers in the philippines, the top ten list will probably be very close to the list on the initial post. that list is pretty much accurate.

diving doesn't have anything to do with security, snorkeling, or surfing. what makes dives interesting are the underwater ecosystem (marine life), underwater cliffs, caves, pass throughs, wrecks, etc.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 01:44 AM   #33
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well in your equation no security= less divers or no one dives ," best divers" dives when there are great dive site to explore imo

anyway where not getting anywhere , i am not against any places i just want the facts and not a portion of the Philppines.

and i think malapascua and Coron deserve on top of subic bay .
wreck diving is of a different class distinct from reef diving.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:27 AM   #34
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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #35
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besides rage, who's only dove around cebu, it looks like i might be the only other diver to post on this thread.

if you took a poll among divers in the philippines, the top ten list will probably be very close to the list on the initial post. that list is pretty much accurate.

diving doesn't have anything to do with security, snorkeling, or surfing. what makes dives interesting are the underwater ecosystem (marine life), underwater cliffs, caves, pass throughs, wrecks, etc.

ai thanks @bartman you got my point.

i dunno why some people insists in security issue in diving. but i will agree Sulu and Tawi-Tawi archipelago lacks tourists and diving facilities .for people who don't know where or what Sulu Archipelago.It's not only Basilan or Jolo , it consists of 100+ gorgeous islands , some islands are closer to Malaysia & Indonesia it stretched maybe from Manila upto the center of Visayas. they are frequented by divers who are based in Malaysia , this is a lost in Philippine tourism and if the Philippine govt' has more vision & will we can have more tourist divers and can claim the title "Haven of Divers"

and hope Filipinos erased this notion of Sulu and Mindanao being "troubled region" . Well Israel , Egypt & even Lebanon have more tourists , why? they have the sites and the facilities to go to.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:56 AM   #36
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wreck diving is of a different class distinct from reef diving.
Coron Islands and environs is called the "ship cemetery" it was here the Greatest Sea Battle in history started , the American Navy played decoy to lure the Japanese Fleet , not only shipwrecks but fighter planes are all scattered in that area plus Coron have the pristine and diverse marine life.
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Coron Islands and environs is called the "ship cemetery" it was here the Greatest Sea Battle in history started , the American Navy played decoy to lure the Japanese Fleet , not only shipwrecks fighter planes are all scattered in that area plus Coron have the pristine and diverse marine life.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 03:03 AM   #38
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i do TOTALLY get your point, maski haluan pa natin ng ibang issues other than security, i still get your point, ang hindi ko lang maintindihan is why youre so bothered why sulu is not on the list, hihimayin ko ng isa isa
why i said Sulu & Tawi- Tawi Archipleago must be included ? where in the Philippines can you get abundant pearls? natural pearls are a benchmark that the sea is still clean and active of Marine life.

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"did i ever say nobody is diving in sulu? read the previous posts, nobody ever denied your claim that there are divers diving in sulu, the place has a big potential, but its just not the right time to put them among the best/top/most popular list"
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lagyan pa natin ng translation para mas maintindihan mo yung sagot ko, okay?
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"wala akong sinabi na walang nag didive sa sulu, basahin mo yung mga previous posts dahil wala namang kumokontra sa sinasabi mong may mga divers sa sulu, malaki ang potensyal ng lugar pero hindi ngayon ang tamang panahon na mailagay siya sa best/top/most popular list"
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there are divers in sulu, true, pero hindi na natin kailangan ng proof to know na sulu attracts less divers compared to the 10 listed on post#1 kaya nga sila napasali sa listed 10 dahil theyre the best and most popular in the country.

well read my post again i said " popular does not mean the best dive sites" short-cut ko lang yan baka hanapin mo naman kung saan.


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so? may sinabi ba ako na dinedeny ko or nag aaprove ako sa view mo? its immaterial for me. never commented anything about this statement so why bother to ask me if i get it?

sinabi ko yan dahil nahihirapan ka mag compare whats' Best Dive Site and Popular Dive Site.
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why i said Sulu & Tawi- Tawi Archipleago must be included ? where in the Philippines can you get abundant pearls? natural pearls are a benchmark that the sea is still clean and active of Marine life
pero hindi naman lahat g nagdidive eh naghahanap ng pearl eh, diba? (take this as a ajoke, wag mo seryosohin)

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well read my post again i said " popular does not mean the best dive sites" short-cut ko lang yan baka hanapin mo naman kung saan.

sinabi ko yan dahil nahihirapan ka mag compare whats' Best Dive Site and Popular Dive Site.
you are already getting redundant...

isa lang ang masasabi ko, sulu and tawitawi are good dive sites, pero its still not in the league of the 10 listed on post#1, its not yet their time dahil nga sa issues na hindi ko na babanggitin dahil youre in denial, maybe in the future. pero ngayon? naaah!

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‘RP coral reefs, second largest in Asia, in bad shape’
By Katherine Adraneda
Monday, September 24, 2007

Close to a decade after the El Niño phenomenon hit the country in 1998, Philippine coral reefs – the second largest in Southeast Asia – remain in “bad shape,” and the situation continues to be “bleak” unless intensified protection and preservation efforts are done to save them, according to an international reef conservation group.

In the latest data of Reef Check, the world’s largest reef conservation organization, only less than five percent of the country’s estimated 27,000 square-kilometers of coral reef are considered in “excellent condition.”

Among them are world-famous destinations like Tubbataha Reefs Marine Park in Palawan, Apo Island in Negros Oriental, Apo Reef in Puerto Galera, Mindoro, and Verde Island Passage off Batangas.

Domingo Ochavillo, country director of the California-based group, noted that the larger areas of coral reefs are unable to recover from the adverse effects of El Niño and the impact of human activities such as blast fishing and marine pollution over the years.

“In general, the coral reefs in the Philippines are still in bad shape,” Ochavillo said, pointing out that the 1998 El Niño caused the “most serious” impact as it resulted in coral bleaching, or the death of 20 percent of the country’s coral reefs. The El Niño phenomenon is an abnormal warming of surface ocean waters in the eastern tropical Pacific.

“It can be said that it might have even turned for the worse, as it’s a very bleak situation for the coral reefs in the Philippines,” Ochavillo added.

According to Reef Check’s latest survey, the threats to Philippine coral reefs are similar to most developing countries that have high population growth rates and with local coastal communities contributing a significant portion of the national population.

Reef Check said this “continued burgeoning of the country’s population” is definitely increasing its negative impact on the health of the coral reefs as shown in the group’s indicators.

The group said so-called “high-valued” indicators have very low densities based on their long-term data, and “they seem to have not recovered yet.”

An example, the group survey stressed, is the decreasing density of Napoleon wrasse, a fish species listed under the Convention on International Trade of Endangered Species.

Reef Check said the density of Napoleon wrasse in Philippine coral reefs has been consistently low and almost always zero.

The same observation on barramundi cod has been noted by the conservation organization.

Although the densities of grouper fish (Lapu-lapu) are in a slightly better state, Reef Check said these are nevertheless considered low.

“This group of fishes is highly targeted especially in the live reef fish food trade to account for their low densities. Although these fishes are naturally low in abundance in the wild, over-fishing has pushed their densities much lower,” Reef Check stressed.

Moreover, the group said that it is now very hard to find bump-head parrotfish in fished coral reefs.

Sweetlips, snappers and moral eels are all very low in abundance as well.

However, Reef Check data have indicated that these fishes are more abundant in protected reef areas.

Meanwhile, Reef Check said the trends in the highly targeted invertebrate indicators are likewise not better.

It said that sea cucumbers, lobsters, triton shell, and pencil urchins are very low in abundance.

“The triton shell and the pencil urchins are in fact very hard to find now in fished reefs. These organisms have been highly targeted by fishermen for the curio trade. Giant clams and banded shrimps are still found in many reefs but the impact of over-fishing for the curio and the ornamental trade will continue to drive their abundance much lower,” Reef Check said.

Decreasing trend


Natural disturbances constitute a significant factor that negatively impacts the health of coral reefs. But while typhoons are a normal occurrence in the Philippines, El Niño events seem to be more frequent leading to the warming of the coastal waters and subsequent coral bleaching that in turn cause widespread and increased mortalities of coral reefs, the group said.

However, Ochavillo lamented that human activities continue to aggravate the degradation of coral reef in the country with incidences of over- fishing, dynamite fishing, and marine pollution.

Ochavillo noted that since 1997, the coral reef cover in the Philippines has been on a decreasing trend.

In 1997, he said citing records, the Philippines’ live hard coral reef cover was at 60 percent. But this went down 40 percent in 1998; more than 20 percent in 1999; around 30 percent in 2000; 20 percent in 2001; more than 20 percent in 2002 to 2005; and around 30 percent in 2006.

Ochavillo emphasized that the best way to ensure the protection and preservation of Philippine coral reefs is the establishment of more marine protected areas (MPAs) since this mechanism makes sure that fishing and other human activities are regulated or even banned.

Reef Check underscored recovery in a number of protected reefs, where there is an existing “no-take policy.” These areas include the Apo Island and Danjugan Island in Negros.
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