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Old September 24th, 2007, 09:54 PM   #1
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Hamilton: Is it really that bad?

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Old September 25th, 2007, 01:30 AM   #2
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Awesome photos.. you do your city a great service.

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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:18 AM   #3
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I love Hamilton, there's nothing phoney about the city, it's real and for some people they can't handle it. I would never call the city as a dump as I would never call another city as a dump either.


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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:08 AM   #4
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Most people only know Hamilton as a dump, these pictures are to show that it also has beauty and vibrancy.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:24 AM   #5
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Tell ya what, I'll delete my post.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:35 AM   #6
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I've never understood people's obsession with dumping on Hamilton. There seems to be this 'Steel and factories/blue collar = Bad' mentality. I travelled to Hamilton for the first time last summer expecting a dump similar to huge swaths of Toronto. Granted, Hamilton isn't booming or sophisticated, but it's 100 times better than Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughn, Newmarket, Richmond Hill, Markham, Scarborough. Now those places just suck the life out of you. Talk about ugly coma-inducing sprawl.

Hamilton has a superior setting, history, grand old buildings, a great university, interesting industrial architecture, and character. All Hamilton needs is a post industrial boom.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #7
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If there is one (and I use the term lightly to avoid a total threadjack) suburb of Toronto worth checking out, it is Hamilton. Affordable houses, good transit and commuter service, safe, and an urban chic mixed with a small town soul you will not find anywhere else near Toronto.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 06:41 AM   #8
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I dunno I'm thinking pretty wild here but maybe just maybe the fact Hamilton has "affordable houses, good transit and commuter service, safe, and an urban chic mixed with a small town soul you will not find anywhere else near Toronto" is because it's not a suburb of Toronto? Call me crazy!
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Old September 25th, 2007, 07:08 AM   #9
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You didn't have to delete your post Algonquin, your opinion is totally valid.

You guys can't really hijack the thread either, the thread title suggests debate, so debate. The pictures have all been seen before in the City Photos section but I posted them here as food for thought.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 09:35 AM   #10
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First, a question: where were photos 15, 31 and 87 taken? I don't recognize them.

I went to high school in Hamilton, then went off to university, then came back for a bit, then went to live in other countries, then came back to Hamilton again, and then moved to Stratford. I could never live in Hamilton again, without question. These photos are lovely, I do enjoy your threads very much, but in a certain way they do the city too much justice, in that they are slightly misleading in what they leave out. I lived on Herkimer and was a regular around the James South area. If only the whole neighbourhood looked like that section of James between Bold and Duke (photo 9), and if only the whole neighbourhood was filled with apartment blocks like those on Bold (photo 42) and on Herkimer (photo 12) and on Duke (photo 92), then it would be as charming as heck. But, sadly, it is not.

In terms of the architectural environment, Hamilton rates as a "near miss." There are so many holes, it's heartbreaking. Have you ever noticed how Hamilton only ever gets one side of the commercial streets right? King East all the way from Scott Park to Wellington is just one side with a relatively solid wall of shopfronts, the other with houses or parking lots. It doesn't work. Locke Street is one side with a solid wall of shopfronts, the other with houses. Again, it doesn't work. Imagine if the east side of Locke were built up the same as the west side of the street! That would be so cool. James South is that way, too. Actually, James Street North is the only commercial street in the city with a solid wall of shopfronts on both sides of the street, when you think about it. Oh, there's a stretch on King East after Wellington, but it's not very long.

I certainly hope Hamilton rebounds back into something of an urban success story, but that won't really happen until the steel mills close up shop and the lands they are on are decontaminated. If that ever happens. We had to move due to my wife's asthma, the industrial stink in the air in Hamilton is simply nauseating when you don't live there anymore and you come back for a visit (granted, in Stratford we get the scent of pig manure wafting over the city now and again, it must be said). I wish Hamilton the best, and still have family there. We visit now and again. But for me, it's like the memory of a bad relationship. It doesn't matter how much your ex has worked through her issues and is now a demonstrably better person, etc. You just can't start fresh, there are too many negative associations.

Before you get in a huff, at the very least you could say that Hamilton inspires something of a strong reaction, eh?
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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #11
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You didn't have to delete your post Algonquin, your opinion is totally valid.

You guys can't really hijack the thread either, the thread title suggests debate, so debate. The pictures have all been seen before in the City Photos section but I posted them here as food for thought.
I just don't want to sound like a broken record
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Old September 25th, 2007, 03:13 PM   #12
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Rousseau: 15 is at the Bayfront, 31 is a Corbusian Unite d'Habitation style building in the Greenhill area (it's a massive 16 storey biulding), 87 is in the Jamesville area, which has become quite a nice neighbourhood.

It took me a couple years to get used to Hamilton, it's not easy to like this city. You have to explore because the best parts of the city don't advertise. People who live in Hamilton don't even know the place. Locke St is hidden away, as are Concession St or Ottawa St or the Bayfront. Maybe I just got here when things started to improve after a long decline, or maybe it's because my daily routes don't take me into the dumpy neighbourhoods and industrial areas, but I've found Hamilton has much more to offer than the last city I lived in.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 05:42 PM   #13
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I like Hamilton.. has some very interesting architecture and I also like the layout of the downtown. These pictures are superb.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 04:17 AM   #14
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Regarding the question in the title, Hamilton isn't bad, but those 1970's commie-block high rises are ugly and hideous. They should all be torn down.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 04:49 AM   #15
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Wow... amazing photothread. I actually see Hamilton in a new light. It looks pretty exciting in its own way. Just because it has a little more grit than alot of Canadian cities (which makes it more unique!) means it's always overlooked. It's got a huge population and is very urban... you'd think we'd hear more about it.

I can't wait to visit this fall.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 06:00 AM   #16
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I think this thread's name should be changed to:

"Hamilton: Is it really that GOOD?"

Although some are right, Hamilton hasn't always looked this good, but the city has certainly come around beautifully since the old industrial days of the 70s and 80s and before that, in fact, unlike some cities that have had an industrial past, in Hamilton it still lives on, and the city maintains some beautiness as well! Thanks for this great phototour, flar!
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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #17
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Wow... amazing photothread. I actually see Hamilton in a new light. It looks pretty exciting in its own way. Just because it has a little more grit than alot of Canadian cities (which makes it more unique!) means it's always overlooked. It's got a huge population and is very urban... you'd think we'd hear more about it.

I can't wait to visit this fall.
Hamilton suffers from living under the shadow of Toronto and an undeserved inferiority complex. It really is a hidden gem. Not only was it not depressing, but evidence of it's former wealth are everywhere.

I was really impressed when I went last summer. I went to a MAC football game at Ivor Wynne Stadium, co-ed cheerleaders and all. Walking back downtown was a trip into a Canada that has largely disappeared in Toronto. Gritty neighbourhoods and unpretentious people. I felt like I was on the set of Roseanne. It wasn't sophisticated, but refreshingly real.

So many big underutilized historic buildings. Don't miss peaking through the window of this giant Bingo Hall on the main street downtown. It is freakishly weird that it even exists. I thought I'd fallen down the rabbit hole. What a time warp! It would be like stumbling on an Honest Ed's crossed with a cruise ship casino at Yonge and Bloor.

I was also surprised by the amount of greenery and beautiful Hamilton mountain. Hamilton is easily one of my favourite places I've visited. Go MAC!
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Regarding the question in the title, Hamilton isn't bad, but those 1970's commie-block high rises are ugly and hideous. They should all be torn down.
But then where would all the people who live in them go?
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Old September 26th, 2007, 02:15 PM   #19
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One good thing I can say about Hamilton is that it's waterfront is fantastic. They've only altered a small section of it over recent years, but what a difference it's made. If they can continue this course, the results will be impressive. They could take cues from Winnipegs waterfront.. it succeeds as a destination for both tourists and residents. Thats one thing Hamilton sorely lacks... tourist attractions. (oh, and I really wish they'd get rid of that ridiculous trolley on the waterfront path...)

I like Hamiltons airport too... it's sooo laid back. It's a puny little thing, and probably Canada's least developed airport terminal (even Regina's is quite large compared to it). But this is it's charm. The Warplane Heritage museum next to it is a hidden gem.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 03:35 PM   #20
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I moved to Hamilton just under a month ago for schooling. I live on top of the mountain in suburbia.

I hail from London, can't say I've fallen in love with the city like I have with my hometown.

but it isn't that bad i suppose.
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