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Old September 28th, 2007, 09:35 AM   #81
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Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.
You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is. Just because Chicago is built on flat land does not mean the city will only sprawl. Cultural density, past a critical mass, can be a self-reinforcing phenomenon.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 09:43 AM   #82
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I now love Chicago
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Old September 28th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #83
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Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.
You just sound bitter and I'm not sure about what. If it's the New York think, NYC has alot of construction going on as well. Maybe a self-hating Sox fan?
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Old September 28th, 2007, 10:02 AM   #84
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Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.
Artificial growth in Dubai, no not really. Maybe a few years ago, but now there's a huge demand for homes and offices.
What makes Chicago grow? Well also demand, like any other city in the world.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 11:50 AM   #85
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You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is.
neither you're making...
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Old September 28th, 2007, 12:11 PM   #86
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Opinion's aside its pretty evident that Chicago's boom still produces very great proposals.. Now that we know that the spire is going up, this one one is certainly feasable.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 01:40 PM   #87
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Impressive tower. I hope they will start construction soon. My estimate height for a 100 story
residential/hotel tower would be 350-400 meter, but this render does not give any indication.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #88
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Second: tiny render, too early to truly judge about anything appart from the fact that it'll be darn close to Trump and Spire. Perhaps too much I'd tend to think...

Third: one of the very first rules you learn (or at least should learn) from any decent economy class/book, is that it is the supply that creates the demand, NOT the other way around however strange this might sound at first.
So think what you what you want about Dubai, but they're only pushing the rule to the extreme; and they WILL get the benefits back eventually!
That being said, Chicago's growth certainly seems to be less 'artificial' indeed, but it still follows the same principle.
You cannot want something that doesn't exist yet; it has to be invented, designed, manufactured and advertised to you, whether it's an Ipod or a 15 million penthouse. Simple as that.
My point is that this word, 'artificial' really does not mean much in economic terms.
Use 'vegas-ied' for Dubai!!

Anyway, good for Chicago, althought I do think the river is getting a bit crowded...
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Old September 28th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #89
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foooooooooooooooooooooooking hell!

another supertall from the chicago-ians....dayymm!!
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Old September 28th, 2007, 03:27 PM   #90
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All I can say is WOW! Chicago is really on its feet to compete against the world!!! Good thing we still have city who knows how it works!
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Old September 28th, 2007, 04:45 PM   #91
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Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.
Yes it is interesting to compare both of these cities:

.....................Chicago........Dubai
Population.........9.5m...........1.4m
GDP...............442 billion .....46 billion
supertalls:
built................. 5 ...............4
construction...... 3 ..............21

Now which of these two cities might be expanding a bit too quickly?
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Old September 28th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #92
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Yes it is interesting to compare both of these cities:

.....................Chicago........Dubai
Population.........9.5m...........1.4m
GDP...............442 billion .....46 billion
supertalls:
built................. 5 ...............4
construction...... 3 ..............21

Now which of these two cities might be expanding a bit too quickly?
very nice, I had no idea of the desparity. That makes it seem like Chicago is under-building. Thanks for posting that.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #93
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This article mentions a height of 1,100ft (335m):

A kid bro in Spire's shadow
DEVELOPMENT | Carley floats idea for hotel tower in Streeterville


September 28, 2007
BY DAVID ROEDER [email protected]

...At about 1,100 feet, the building would be shorter than such skyline titans as the John Hancock Center or even the new Trump Tower. But it would command attention and be only a couple of blocks from the proposed spire, a 2,000-foot composition of celebrity architect Santiago Calatrava...

http://www.suntimes.com/business/578...uild28.article
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Old September 28th, 2007, 05:37 PM   #94
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Old September 28th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #95
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Pretty low average floor height even for residential.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 06:03 PM   #96
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The building on the left hand side is almost totally transparent, now that would be really something to see (or not) haha.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 06:35 PM   #97
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The building on the left hand side is almost totally transparent, now that would be really something to see (or not) haha.
It's a future 45 floor rental building. Design hasn't been released yet.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 07:24 PM   #98
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Pretty low average floor height even for residential.
almost the same average as the John Hancock Center
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Old September 28th, 2007, 08:06 PM   #99
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Everyone seem to like this project. I won't make an exception. This design looks magnificent. It's very modern, sharp-looking and glassy. The more these buildings are built to this fantastic city, the more I like it. I really think Chicago has already passed New York in my Top 5 list. NYC will soon be left out from the list totally if it isn't already.
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Old September 29th, 2007, 12:30 AM   #100
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You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is. Just because Chicago is built on flat land does not mean the city will only sprawl. Cultural density, past a critical mass, can be a self-reinforcing phenomenon.
I was about to say the same thing -- cities grow up when it's more difficult to grow out.

With all the sprawl going on (especially in Chicago), one would think you'd see a lot more vertical growth.
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