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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #141
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Why do you keep coming here and posting this over and over?
Because it's a dead project my friend!
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:20 PM   #142
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I'm not going to ask this to be closed. Despite how right you may be Jerome, the fact is, until Issa says it's dead, it's not. I think we can all agree the unions had nothing to do with this, and Issa is most likely backing out. Until he does though, it's gotta stay.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #143
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Why do you keep coming here and posting this over and over? We get it. You think the project's dead. If you don't have anything else to say, don't bother posting.
Thank you, please keep this up.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:14 AM   #144
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So IF it is really dead, what will happen with the land?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 03:00 AM   #145
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It's Buffalo - parking lot of course!!!
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:51 PM   #146
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too bad it died
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:58 PM   #147
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too bad it died
It hasn't, pay no attention to the thing behind the curtain
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Old January 18th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #148
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Then who has he signed as a tenant? Why is Issa saying he can't build it in Buffalo because of non-construction Unions? Why have they stopped work on his other Buffalo project, the Statler?

Question: Which of his other projects that were supposedly in progress at the time he entered the Buffalo market almost two years ago has Issa COMPLETED?

Answer: NONE

It's done, let it go. There are a ton of REAL projects moving forward. Buffalo Federal Court House - under construction, 13 floor waterfront condo's under construction. 22 floor Buffalo casino/hotel - pre construction work started, additional land purchased just yesterday, Memorial Auditorium/Bass Pro project - contracts let for asbestos removal. 15 story Embasssy Suits conversion under construction.

Court Street 11 story office building - construction to begin as soon as law suit settled. 23 story Gates Circle condo project - to go as soon as lawsuit settled.

New proposals for high rise casino/hotel in excess of 30 floors to be released in February.

There are so many real projects to focus on. This obsession with the Kuwaiti Kumquat is so Mayberry it make me gag. The kid has never successfully completed a major project anywhere. His tower proposal would have cost more than his other proposals combined. He is a kid, in way over his head. But he sure loves the adulation the local yokels gave him.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #149
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Then who has he signed as a tenant? Why is Issa saying he can't build it in Buffalo because of non-construction Unions? Why have they stopped work on his other Buffalo project, the Statler?

Question: Which of his other projects that were supposedly in progress at the time he entered the Buffalo market almost two years ago has Issa COMPLETED?

Answer: NONE

It's done, let it go. There are a ton of REAL projects moving forward. Buffalo Federal Court House - under construction, 13 floor waterfront condo's under construction. 22 floor Buffalo casino/hotel - pre construction work started, additional land purchased just yesterday, Memorial Auditorium/Bass Pro project - contracts let for asbestos removal. 15 story Embasssy Suits conversion under construction.

Court Street 11 story office building - construction to begin as soon as law suit settled. 23 story Gates Circle condo project - to go as soon as lawsuit settled.

New proposals for high rise casino/hotel in excess of 30 floors to be released in February.

There are so many real projects to focus on. This obsession with the Kuwaiti Kumquat is so Mayberry it make me gag. The kid has never successfully completed a major project anywhere. His tower proposal would have cost more than his other proposals combined. He is a kid, in way over his head. But he sure loves the adulation the local yokels gave him.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #150
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New proposals for high rise casino/hotel in excess of 30 floors to be released in February.

There are so many real projects to focus on. This obsession with the Kuwaiti Kumquat is so Mayberry it make me gag. The kid has never successfully completed a major project anywhere. His tower proposal would have cost more than his other proposals combined. He is a kid, in way over his head. But he sure loves the adulation the local yokels gave him.
Senecas increased the Buffalo Creek Casino Tower height? That's a first in Buffalo.

About your Issa comment. I read some of the comments from people from Manchester on Buffalo Pundit about his tower plans around the world.

He has stopped work on the Statler?
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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:44 AM   #151
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If he can get the Statler renovation completed, that will still be a big plus for downtown Buffalo.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 06:39 AM   #152
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Senecas increased the Buffalo Creek Casino Tower height? That's a first in Buffalo.

About your Issa comment. I read some of the comments from people from Manchester on Buffalo Pundit about his tower plans around the world.

He has stopped work on the Statler?
I had a feeling they were going to increase the height of the Buffalo Seneca Creek Hotel Tower. If I were Snyder then Id be planning for the conversion of the Hyatt to atleast some form of residential mix.

The mistake of the Court Street Tower is that they are not going to offer even a minimum of underground parking.

That being said, the proposed Buffalo City Tower is still very much needed downtown. There is great need for it even with the other downtown developments and while it may not be able to attract companies from other urban areas, from downstate or from canada today....Buffalo desperately needs a Buffalo City Tower built and move in ready to attract them tomorrow.
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Senecas increased the Buffalo Creek Casino Tower height? That's a first in Buffalo.

About your Issa comment. I read some of the comments from people from Manchester on Buffalo Pundit about his tower plans around the world.

He has stopped work on the Statler?
sorry for the misunderstanding. The February 30 plus proposal is for Niagara Falls ny. The Bufalo casino hotel remains at 22 floors.
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Hey, it gives hope that the Senecas might build another tower for the Buffalo Creek Casino.

And then with Waterfront Place II in the future, Buffalo might have 4 new towers that have an impact on the skyline.
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I had a feeling they were going to increase the height of the Buffalo Seneca Creek Hotel Tower. If I were Snyder then Id be planning for the conversion of the Hyatt to atleast some form of residential mix.

The mistake of the Court Street Tower is that they are not going to offer even a minimum of underground parking.

That being said, the proposed Buffalo City Tower is still very much needed downtown. There is great need for it even with the other downtown developments and while it may not be able to attract companies from other urban areas, from downstate or from canada today....Buffalo desperately needs a Buffalo City Tower built and move in ready to attract them tomorrow.
Completely, respectfully, disagree with you.

Why do we need this tower? I think its because we all want a shiny new building to be excited about.

We need jobs, population growth, and things getting done. Take a trip downtown and look at the massive space existing that can't be filled. One day, we will need a tower like this. Not this day.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 10:13 PM   #156
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If he can get the Statler renovation completed, that will still be a big plus for downtown Buffalo.
Huge if. In nearly two years since his arrival all he has done is fix the elevator's and made a (very) few cosmetic improvements through the use of day laborers. The Statler will be for sale long before it is renovated by the Issa kid.
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you know I dont care if it takes 3 years for the Statler....because Buffalo suffers from decades of entrenched and toxic pessimism so if Issa can keep the news filled with civic minded positive news to keep us engaged, positive and hopeful....then thats fine with me.

In case any of you have been out of town lately, many other cities are in just as bad shape as Buffalo but they have a wonderful marketing department assuring everyone just how wonderful their city is and what a great place it is to invest. Rochester is famous for being more prejudiced and bigoted than Buffalo....but you will never hear about it...because of marketing. Basically Buffalo does absolutely no marketing at all...Buffalo has no hype and no spin...in some ways we are better for it...and in others we suffer because of it.

and as far as the comment about empty buildings downtown well many of those buildings are empty for a reason and many need to be converted to residential (Statler, Hyatt, Lafayette, Liberty, Greater Buffalo Savings Bank, Touraine are perfect examples). Their just to old to compete which is why we really do need the city tower and probably more than 1.
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and as far as the comment about empty buildings downtown well many of those buildings are empty for a reason and many need to be converted to residential (Statler, Hyatt, Lafayette, Liberty, Greater Buffalo Savings Bank, Touraine are perfect examples). Their just to old to compete which is why we really do need the city tower and probably more than 1.
They're also empty because there isn't the market. Where are all these people coming from? I seriously wish I could sit back and believe that there was a massive influx of jobs and people in Buffalo, but there isnt. There is job growth, yes, but we need to amp that 10x to see the turnaround
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They're also empty because there isn't the market. Where are all these people coming from? I seriously wish I could sit back and believe that there was a massive influx of jobs and people in Buffalo, but there isnt. There is job growth, yes, but we need to amp that 10x to see the turnaround
As I said there is a market if our old and obsolete office buildings were converted to residential. There are more people that want to move downtown than there are residential apartments/condos for them to purchase. If that happened then that is going to open up and justify new office buildings to be constructed and its going to create a re-think of the surrounding inner-city neighborhoods also.
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As I said there is a market if our old and obsolete office buildings were converted to residential. There are more people that want to move downtown than there are residential apartments/condos for them to purchase. If that happened then that is going to open up and justify new office buildings to be constructed and its going to create a re-think of the surrounding inner-city neighborhoods also.
But it's all an IF at this point man. I agree, this is possible when that market it there. But until we have those major projects completed, its not going to happen. Not only doesn't this guy have the money or the track record, he has no tenants.
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