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Old September 27th, 2017, 04:14 PM   #2161
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MJ Eriksson has won the 200 million kroner contract to build the 6 kilometer extension of the Kalundborg motorway.

This part is from where it ends today at near Kvanløse and then a new motorway outside Regstrup (the part MJ Eriksson will build) to Damstrup.

Rest of stage 2 is to rebuild Skovvejen to motorway standard.

http://www.building-supply.dk/articl...ioner_motorvej


http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/da/vej...r/default.aspx
The ceremony to start construction is planned for tomorrow.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #2162
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Articles:

https://www.tveast.dk/artikel/lokale...borgmotorvejen

http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vej...torvejen-.aspx

The guy with the glasses in the middle is the minister of transportation.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:42 PM   #2163
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Storstrømsbroen

The Italian joint venture Itinera, Condotte, Grandi Lavori Fincosit and Seteco Ingegneria won the contract to start the construction of the new Storstrømsbroen next year:

http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vej...3%B8msbro.aspx


Article from the local newspaper (Danish):
http://folketidende.dk/Lokal-nyt/Ita...artikel/442101

Construction starts autumn 2018, opens for car traffic in 2022 and rail in 2023.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 12:22 PM   #2164
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I took a look at the websites of those construction companies. Quite frankly they don't seem very experienced in the European construction sector, judging by their portfolio, which is mostly limited to construction projects in Italy.

And these portfolios are often exaggerated. Not rarely are these lesser-known construction companies only a junior partner, subcontractor or part of a larger group at major construction projects.

* Itinera has built only one road project outside of Italy: the Vác bypass in Hungary
* Condotte d'Aqua has built one motorway project in Romania. Most of their portfolio consists of projects that were completed decades ago. They are a partner in the Follobanen project near Oslo, which raised concerns about liquidity problems
* Grandi Lavori Fincosit does not list any infrastructure projects outside of Italy.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 03:02 PM   #2165
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I took a look at the websites of those construction companies. Quite frankly they don't seem very experienced in the European construction sector, judging by their portfolio, which is mostly limited to construction projects in Italy.

And these portfolios are often exaggerated. Not rarely are these lesser-known construction companies only a junior partner, subcontractor or part of a larger group at major construction projects.

* Itinera has built only one road project outside of Italy: the Vác bypass in Hungary
* Condotte d'Aqua has built one motorway project in Romania. Most of their portfolio consists of projects that were completed decades ago. They are a partner in the Follobanen project near Oslo, which raised concerns about liquidity problems
* Grandi Lavori Fincosit does not list any infrastructure projects outside of Italy.

Given that the main reason for building this bridge in the first place (Fehmarnbelt tunnel) likely won't be completed until 2027-2028 or so a delay for a few years you could cynically say might be acceptable. Though I must say it is really disturbing none of them seems to have any experience in building longer bridges in maritime (salt water) environment.


It could also be noted that there have been several problems with the Italian consortium constructing Copenhagen metro Cityringen. The local construction union 3F have reported mafia connections on the construction sites.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 03:12 PM   #2166
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Though I must say it is really disturbing none of them seems to have any experience in building longer bridges in maritime (salt water) environment.
Exactly. This is not your average rural motorway or railroad project, but a large, sea-crossing dual road/rail bridge. It's great that one of those companies built that cable-stayed bridge in Genova, but that was 50 years ago.

I'm guessing the Danish authorities will be on edge with this contract being awarded to a joint venture that seems to lack the proper credentials.

The EU is a single market, but there are always subtle and not-so-subtle differences between countries.
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Old October 30th, 2017, 06:15 PM   #2167
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Holstebromotorvejen

Two connector roads built as part of the Holstebro Motorway open to traffic on 2 November:

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Old October 30th, 2017, 07:23 PM   #2168
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Exactly. This is not your average rural motorway or railroad project, but a large, sea-crossing dual road/rail bridge. It's great that one of those companies built that cable-stayed bridge in Genova, but that was 50 years ago.

I'm guessing the Danish authorities will be on edge with this contract being awarded to a joint venture that seems to lack the proper credentials.

The EU is a single market, but there are always subtle and not-so-subtle differences between countries.

Today the local paper (Folketidende) writes all about that:
http://folketidende.dk/Femern/Dansk-...artikel/442747

Apparently the Italian offer was 400 million DKK cheaper. But the other contracts were better in quality.
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Old October 30th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #2169
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Two connector roads built as part of the Holstebro Motorway open to traffic on 2 November:

And the exact date for opening of the 2nd section of the Holstebro Motorway - 14 km from Sinding to Tvis has been set to 27th November 2017.
http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/om-...otorvejen.aspx
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 07:31 PM   #2170
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AdBlue manipulation

Miljøstyrelsen has set up NOx emission checkpoints to get a better picture of trucking companies using AdBlue manipulation devices. These devices disable the AdBlue system which cleans the exhaust while not initiating any errors in the engine management system. You can buy such devices for under € 100 on the internet. Without AdBlue, the NOx emissions from truck engines are significantly higher than allowed. Early tests show that about 25% of trucks are in violation.
Målingerne foregår, ved at en sensor sender en usynlig lysstråle gennem lastbilens udstødning, når den kører forbi. På den måde måles udstødningsgassens indhold af NOx.
They use sensors that emit an invisible light beam into the exhaust of a truck. This measures the NOx content.

Here you can see it in action:

Via: http://mst.dk/service/nyheder/nyheds...lers-nox-snyd/

It's a good thing they are checking this. Enforcement in the European trucking industry is way too limited. For example, Norwegian Statens Vegvesen inspections regularly show incredible deficiencies with trucks. AdBlue manipulation, tachograph manipulation, brake discs with giant cracks, overloading, insufficiently secured loads, tires with almost no tread, etc. These cowboys need to be taken off the roads.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 08:05 PM   #2171
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Miljøstyrelsen has set up NOx emission checkpoints to get a better picture of trucking companies using AdBlue manipulation devices. These devices disable the AdBlue system which cleans the exhaust while not initiating any errors in the engine management system. You can buy such devices for under € 100 on the internet. Without AdBlue, the NOx emissions from truck engines are significantly higher than allowed. Early tests show that about 25% of trucks are in violation.
Målingerne foregår, ved at en sensor sender en usynlig lysstråle gennem lastbilens udstødning, når den kører forbi. På den måde måles udstødningsgassens indhold af NOx.
They use sensors that emit an invisible light beam into the exhaust of a truck. This measures the NOx content.

Here you can see it in action:

Via: http://mst.dk/service/nyheder/nyheds...lers-nox-snyd/

It's a good thing they are checking this. Enforcement in the European trucking industry is way too limited. For example, Norwegian Statens Vegvesen inspections regularly show incredible deficiencies with trucks. AdBlue manipulation, tachograph manipulation, brake discs with giant cracks, overloading, insufficiently secured loads, tires with almost no tread, etc. These cowboys need to be taken off the roads.
You can buy these emulators from 50€....
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Old December 1st, 2017, 06:20 PM   #2172
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Nordhavnsvej in Copenhagen will open to traffic on 17 December, according to the calendar of the minister of transport.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #2173
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An agreement has been made with the Danish People's Party about the E20 expansion and Great Belt Bridge toll rates.

Sund og Bælt will pay 2.1 billion DKK of the 2.4 billion DKK expansion of E20 between Nørre Aaby and Odense-Southwest. Also, the toll rates on the Great Belt Bridge will be reduced. This is paid for by extending the concession by 5 years. The E20 expansion will be completed by 2022, the lower toll rates will start on 1 January 2018.

The toll rate reduction seems only for transponders, not cash or cards.

Takst for personbil ved an-vendelse af automatisk betaling, fx BroBizz eller automatisk nummerpladegenkendelse

The toll rate for cars will go down from 228 to 194 DKK in 2018 and to 187 DKK in 2023. The current cash / card rate is 240 DKK. So from 1/1/18, the toll rate difference between transponders and cards/cash will be about 6 euros if the cash toll rate stays at 240 DKK.

I guess it will be more clear once the 2018 toll rates are published by Sund og Bælt.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 03:59 AM   #2174
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When the Great Belt Bridge was sold to the public it was with the understanding that no tax money would go to finance it, it would be entirely financed by the users. The other side of this was that the income from tolls would only go to pay off the bridge. Eventuelly the bridge would be toll free.
My long term prediction, ever since the success of the bridge had proven itself, has been that this income will prove much to attractive to just let go.
Now the money is being diverted to finance motorway construction, with the promise that this is just a temporary extension of the toll period, which still will end one day.

My guess is that this extension will happen again.

I'm not against user financing at all. However at the time this model was decided it was hard fought because the social democartic party was ideologically against it, and still hold reservations, due to a belief that it works against the aims of allowing everyone equal access and opportunity.

But if the tolls are here to stay, it is time to decide if it makes sense to have this one section of the Danish motorway system that is tolled, and used to finance the rest of the system. This is arbitrary and represents a border between Funen and Zealand for no good reason. either make the whole system user financed or none.
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France and the United States also use this approach of cross-subsidies from a tolled facility to pay for upgrades on a non-tolled facility.

I too think the concession will be extended indefinitely. If it is not for financing other road projects, it is to maintain the bridge itself. Perhaps the toll rates can be reduced further once the initial construction cost is paid off and no other road projects are financed through the bridge tolls.
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When the Great Belt Bridge was sold to the public it was with the understanding that no tax money would go to finance it, it would be entirely financed by the users. The other side of this was that the income from tolls would only go to pay off the bridge. Eventuelly the bridge would be toll free.
My long term prediction, ever since the success of the bridge had proven itself, has been that this income will prove much to attractive to just let go.
Now the money is being diverted to finance motorway construction, with the promise that this is just a temporary extension of the toll period, which still will end one day.

My guess is that this extension will happen again.

I'm not against user financing at all. However at the time this model was decided it was hard fought because the social democartic party was ideologically against it, and still hold reservations, due to a belief that it works against the aims of allowing everyone equal access and opportunity.

But if the tolls are here to stay, it is time to decide if it makes sense to have this one section of the Danish motorway system that is tolled, and used to finance the rest of the system. This is arbitrary and represents a border between Funen and Zealand for no good reason. either make the whole system user financed or none.
I fully agree that the Great Belt Bridge/Tunnel never will be free to use, and that is for a number of reasons:
A) You wrongly assume that it was promised that the bridge/tunnel eventually would be come free after the debt had been payed off. That is not correct. Although it is sometimes claimed by som local politician that they were promised that the connection ecentually would become free, it was never stated and never promised by those parties that were behind The Great Belt Law.
B) If it became free it would have some serious repercussions. Traffic would increase substantially requiring very soon expansion of adjoining motorways and within a relatively short period an additional fixed link, which without tolls would be impossible to finance.
C) A free Great Belt Bridge would completely undermine the economy behind the Femern Belt Tunnel, as most travellers between Germany and Scandinavia/Eastern Denmark would prefer a free Great Belt Bridge instead of paying 50-60 Euro to cross Femern Belt.
D) A free Great Belt Bridge would completely undermine the dream of many Danish politicians to construct a Kattegat fixed link between Kalundborg and Hou (south of Aarhus) which is supposed to be financed by tolls.
E) Lastly - as Chris mentioned - The Great Belt has substantial maintenance cost, which would have to be financed.

I agree with you that it is probably not the last time we have seen money from Great Belt diverted to other projects, and not the first time either. During the last 10 years approx. 1 bn Euro has allready been diverted to the socalled Infrastructure Fund, funding various infrastructure projects. My prediction is that in a number of years construction of a new fixed link across Kattegat will be pooled with Great Belt in the same state-owned company, in order to tolls from both bridges to fund the 15 bn Euro Kattegat project.

I have never heard - as claimed by you - that the social democrats shold be against the user-pay model for the fixed links (Great Belt, Oresund, Femern and in the future Kattegat). To the contrary. They were an original party to the Great Belt agreement/law, and the held the government when the Oresund agreement was agreed with Sweden, including the user-pay model, and are fully supporting th Femern Belt link, including user tolls, and the same goes for the Kattegat project.

On the now agreed reduction in tolls Storebælt has published the new officail 2018 rates https://www.storebaelt.dk/oplevdanma...vatkunder-2018 i.e. for cars DKK 240 for cash and card customers, and DKK 193,80 for socalled Club Storebælt customers. Cluc Storebælt customers are those customers with and Brobizz/E-tag and from 2018 also for those with an account with number plate recognition and a credit card, which would be open for all customers Danish or internationals.

The new scheme, with discounts for Brobizz/number plate recognition, makes sense. Allready now 62 % of all passages are made with Brobizz/E-tag, while 38 % of passages are cash/card customers. With an average of 35.000 passages per day, and peaking at 50.000 vehicles on summerdays (especially saturdays and sundays) and with an expected increase of 10% due to the reduced toll on top of the annual increase of 3-5 % in traffic, capacity in the toll plaza in its current lay-out is about to reach its maximum. Further capacity can most most easily be added by having more customers use the Brobizz/E-tag or new number plate recognition system instead of adding more lanes.
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E) Lastly - as Chris mentioned - The Great Belt has substantial maintenance cost, which would have to be financed.
After its 40th anniversary, the bridge most probably will need a major refurbishment, with the cost comparable to the initial construction cost.

Still, I can understand the discussion whether the bridge should be free or not. It is a good question why passing one spot on the national backbone network costs quite a lot of money while all other roads are financed by taxpayers' money. No, there is no single answer to that question, I know.
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I will take your word for it that there has never been an offical promise that the bridge would become free to use, just because that sounds like the beginning of a dreary discussion about legalese.

The financing method for the bridge was naturally a major part of the debate about it thoughout the 80's, and this was when the opposition to the user-financing method was fairly strong on the center left. I seem to recall Arne Melchior being one, although I admit he is not the best example of a social democrat. there were certainly others though, if you really want to I can try to dig up some articles from the time.
and you are naturally correct in that they voted for the law, my recollection is that in typical danish fashion there where some horse trading that had to be done although I don't remember what they got in trade.
since then the concept have become more acceptable to the social democratic politicians.

I think this book touches on some of those developments:
"det forenede land. fem år med storebæltsbroen: af Jan cortzen"


And regards to your other points I'm very much in agreement. Also, practically speaking the great bridges are the easiest points to toll with the least amount of spillover to alternative routes, and that speaks strongly in favour.

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The project for a user financed Great Belt Connection was launched by the then Socialdemocratic government, led by Anker Jørgensen, in 1976, but postponed when Venstre entered in a coalition with the Socialdemocrats in 1978. In 1986 the project was re-launched by the then Conservative led government in agreement with the Socialdemocratic opposition.

In the original law governing the construction and operation of the fixed link, approved by the parliament 16th May 1987, it is clearly stated in paragraph 11
https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/ft/198612K00177 that upon the debt having been paid back the continued toll will be decided by the Minister of Transport with approval from the Finance Committee of the Parliament, i.e. it will not be free.
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Old December 13th, 2017, 11:18 AM   #2180
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I took a look at the websites of those construction companies. Quite frankly they don't seem very experienced in the European construction sector, judging by their portfolio, which is mostly limited to construction projects in Italy.

And these portfolios are often exaggerated. Not rarely are these lesser-known construction companies only a junior partner, subcontractor or part of a larger group at major construction projects.

* Itinera has built only one road project outside of Italy: the Vác bypass in Hungary
* Condotte d'Aqua has built one motorway project in Romania. Most of their portfolio consists of projects that were completed decades ago. They are a partner in the Follobanen project near Oslo, which raised concerns about liquidity problems
* Grandi Lavori Fincosit does not list any infrastructure projects outside of Italy.
I wonder if construction projecst in Italy are drying up?
Italian construction companies seem to be desperate to get contracts anywhere. There is bunch of them offering very low bids in Poland. Unfortunately some of them got to serious difficulties on their contracts. It looks like they underestimated costs of local contractors as well as local regulations and conditions.
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