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Old December 17th, 2008, 10:29 PM   #281
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Lucky? These fines are sick.
Not really, the wages up here are quite high and to be honest 500 DKK is IMO too low to make people be concerned about it when in a hurry.. after all there are lifes at stake

This is why they made a system where you have a number of points connected to your license and if you do serious violations you lose them and can end up having to retake your driver licences or be completely banned from driving..


As much as I personally dissagree with much of the speedlimits here the fines suit me just fine as there are way too many bad and old ( and female ) drivers out there and I don't want them going faser as they can't even drive properly at the current speeds..


And being cought at 8km/h too fast is lucky based on the speeds most drive with around here


Never gotten a speeding fine myself... yet...
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Old December 17th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #282
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Still, 500 DKK for only 8 km/h too fast is a bit over the top. People really won't chance their driving habits because they just drove a tad too fast.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 11:17 PM   #283
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183 euros (2000 sek) is the largest fine you can in Sweden I do believe, and that's for speeding a lot more than 8km. It would be a lot more than 500 dkk though.
That was raised a few years ago. Nowadays 2000 SEK is the lowest available fine (1-10 kph over the limit, although not enforced below 5 kph), and 4000 is the maximum.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 11:23 PM   #284
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I can only say one thing; "Greedy government".

A fine of € 180 for 10 km/h too fast is in no correlation to the increased danger level.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #285
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I don't think I have anything against it, personally. We know the law and by speeding we're consciously breaking it. We know the consequences if we get caught. Better making money this way than by raising taxes overall I think... plus I'm sure it does keep a lot of people from speeding, which is indeed good for safety. The higher it is, the less likely people will speed -- which is the point of fines anyway. 500 SEK or something and a lot of people wouldn't think twice, it'd be a risk worth taking. 4000 SEK...maybe not so much.
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Old December 18th, 2008, 12:07 AM   #286
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There are worse things out there on roads than speeding. Cops catching speeders for money rather than safety is rather stupid IMO instead of catching people for other violations.
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Old December 18th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #287
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I don't think I have anything against it, personally. We know the law and by speeding we're consciously breaking it.
It depends on the situation. An extreme amount of Dutch roads has a Vmax of 10 - 20 km/h too low. That encourages speeding much more than if there were a reasonable speed limit.

As for Denmark; most speed limits I've seen were reasonable. I've been on quite some roads in Denmark and can't remember having a feeling of "man this speed limit is low". I have that in the Netherlands nearly all the time except on the 120km/h motorways.
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Old December 18th, 2008, 12:25 PM   #288
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The problem is that majority of people see just one traffic violation, e.g. speed limit. They couldn't care less about other rules as no one will punish them. As long as your speed limit is right you can do whatever you want in your car.

Central and Western European countries has reasonable speeding fines I would say as fines must reflect the danger driver is representing. Luckily, European parliament in wednesday adopted new directive. One of its important point is that fines across EU will be harmonized over time with which they want to prevent unreasonable fines that now can be seen at some countries.
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Old December 18th, 2008, 11:21 PM   #289
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Still, 500 DKK for only 8 km/h too fast is a bit over the top. People really won't chance their driving habits because they just drove a tad too fast.
When you speed you know what you are doing and to me 500 DKK is almost a too small fine here..

0 to 20% above the limit triggers the 500DKK and while the fines increase rapidly you have to drive more than 40% too fast before it triggers something serious and usually it takes 70% too much before you have to retake the driver license test..

This means that you can drive up to 180km/h on the freeway as long long as you are willing to pay 1.500 DKK if cought with no other real risk


So sure paying 500 for a small violation is irritating but based on how much such is done and how few is fined it's not bad if you ask me..

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I can only say one thing; "Greedy government".

A fine of € 180 for 10 km/h too fast is in no correlation to the increased danger level.
The idea of fines only work if the fines themself is feared and here in Denmark where 500 DKK is the minimum fine ( you'd get the same if parking illegally ) they aren't feared so people speed way too much..

Reaction time and brake distance is heavily affected even with only 10km/h


The difference between going 80 and 90 f.ex is that where you could have stopped at 80 you will pass with 48km/h if going 90km/h....
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Old December 19th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #290
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Hmmm,
i was caught on the danish motorway 200 (!) meters before they end the 110 zone...

Ofcourse they stopped me after the 130 sign to tell me that i am not allowed to drive 130

Was so stupid after almost 30km being carefull not speeding.. i knew they sign was there.. so i was speeding up. I mean 200 meters with 120 km/h, that is not even 10 seconds....
Steeling peoples money that is!
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Old December 19th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #291
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End of the year. Police need to reach their targets...
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Old December 20th, 2008, 11:16 AM   #292
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Hmmm,
i was caught on the danish motorway 200 (!) meters before they end the 110 zone...

Ofcourse they stopped me after the 130 sign to tell me that i am not allowed to drive 130

Was so stupid after almost 30km being carefull not speeding.. i knew they sign was there.. so i was speeding up. I mean 200 meters with 120 km/h, that is not even 10 seconds....
Steeling peoples money that is!
Usually they only stop people driving at risky speeds or dangerously, so while they may have been borred or dumb or whatever are you sure you didn't drive a little bit faster and was just fined at the lower level as they usually do

( why SeanT was only fines for 58 and 60 would have been twice the fine 500 vs 1000 )


Never been stopped or fined myself, but I usually only drive 10 over on free ways unless I'm overtalking and blocking for someone even faster
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Old December 21st, 2008, 01:17 AM   #293
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The problem is that majority of people see just one traffic violation, e.g. speed limit. They couldn't care less about other rules as no one will punish them. As long as your speed limit is right you can do whatever you want in your car.
I agree with this. There's a slogan the government keeps promoting around here that says "Safe speeding. There's no such thing." There's some, though much less, emphasis on driver fatigue and mobile phone use, and almost nothing on keeping sufficient space to the vehicle in front, which is probably one of the biggest problems on the roads here.

The really stupid thing about this particular slogan is that in a state where the maximum speed limit is 110 km/h, but there exist some high standard motorways, there really is such thing as safe speeding.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 01:32 PM   #294
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E20 Esbjerg - Kolding

A drive on the E20 in Denmark. The E20 is Denmarks principal (and only) east-west route.

1. Entering E20 in Esbjerg, a coastal city on the west coast of Jutland.
[IMG]http://i42.************/wgpit.jpg[/IMG]

2. First distance sign. Another Esbjerg exit is next.
[IMG]http://i43.************/29m23r4.jpg[/IMG]

3. There ain't much traffic on this part of E20.
[IMG]http://i40.************/2jbjww4.jpg[/IMG]

4. Nearing the Esbjerg-North exit.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2z591ci.jpg[/IMG]

5. Esbjerg also has a small airport.
[IMG]http://i40.************/2i9mihw.jpg[/IMG]

6. Typical Danish merging sign.
[IMG]http://i44.************/2z4bp84.jpg[/IMG]

7. Ribe exits not far ahead. Nice town to visit on the way to the north.
[IMG]http://i43.************/20ro6fr.jpg[/IMG]

8. Korskro exit ahead.
[IMG]http://i41.************/2remvpj.jpg[/IMG]

9. Ribe and Varde exit too.
[IMG]http://i39.************/xoilaa.jpg[/IMG]

10. At the exit.
[IMG]http://i40.************/20f6yqh.jpg[/IMG]
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Old December 21st, 2008, 01:39 PM   #295
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11. I find Kolding a bit too few to sign, they could sign Odense too, but it's a Danish habit to only sign one control city.
[IMG]http://i44.************/15p0rpw.jpg[/IMG]

12. Ah now we're talking. Additional distance signage.
[IMG]http://i44.************/oaprvk.jpg[/IMG]

13. Bramming exit ahead.
[IMG]http://i42.************/xc6rtf.jpg[/IMG]

14. It's a relaxing drive with this amount of traffic.
[IMG]http://i42.************/206brxu.jpg[/IMG]

15. Kolding is about a half an hour driving.
[IMG]http://i40.************/r1il9j.jpg[/IMG]

16. Gørding exit ahead.
[IMG]http://i42.************/28uodn8.jpg[/IMG]

17. Note that this motorvej doesn't have patched-up tracks on the right lane. A lot of Danish motorways do have that.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2gy1uso.jpg[/IMG]

18. Getting closer to Kolding city.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2ijdvl.jpg[/IMG]

19. Rest area with a bathroom for the disabled.
[IMG]http://i40.************/2itm0x2.jpg[/IMG]

20. Holsted exit in this fairly wooded area.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2q0k0h3.jpg[/IMG]
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21. Billund. I guess some of you know what that means ---->>> LEGOLAND!
[IMG]http://i42.************/m7qixw.jpg[/IMG]

22. Pavement change.
[IMG]http://i39.************/2sbqqly.jpg[/IMG]

23. Closing in on Kolding.
[IMG]http://i44.************/20hoi1x.jpg[/IMG]

24. Brørup exit is next.
[IMG]http://i39.************/120ggn8.jpg[/IMG]

25. Bække also exits here.
[IMG]http://i40.************/2w5ra7p.jpg[/IMG]

26. Fifteen minutes to Kolding.
[IMG]http://i43.************/24uvt7d.jpg[/IMG]

27. Vejen exit ahead. Vejen can be translated as "roads"?
[IMG]http://i42.************/2wfjzhx.jpg[/IMG]

28. Simple, yet clear signs.
[IMG]http://i43.************/2cyruwk.jpg[/IMG]

29. Besides that one sign, Kolding is the only city signed along the road.
[IMG]http://i42.************/14dni3b.jpg[/IMG]

30. Did they place this sign twice by accident?
[IMG]http://i39.************/hvpk0p.jpg[/IMG]
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31. Lunderskov exit.
[IMG]http://i41.************/2ebg9zc.jpg[/IMG]

32. This is the last exit before the E45 interchange.
[IMG]http://i41.************/bhh8nk.jpg[/IMG]

33. Why do so many license plates start with an "Y"?
[IMG]http://i40.************/wunzv8.jpg[/IMG]

34. Approaching Kolding.
[IMG]http://i39.************/o02onm.jpg[/IMG]

35. Another double exit sign.
[IMG]http://i41.************/96hm42.jpg[/IMG]

36. The Kolding-Vest Interchange with the E45 motorvej.
[IMG]http://i44.************/1zv8uwl.jpg[/IMG]

37. While Hamburg is still far away, they might consider signing it here.
[IMG]http://i41.************/257zlfn.jpg[/IMG]

38. At the interchange which is also an exit for Kolding-Vest.
[IMG]http://i43.************/30t3w2b.jpg[/IMG]

39. See?
[IMG]http://i42.************/s2gsa9.jpg[/IMG]
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Old December 21st, 2008, 03:33 PM   #298
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This"Y" letter means at we are running out for letters. We soon start all over again with a possibility for choosing EU licenceplates.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 03:36 PM   #299
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Thanks for the pics.

To answer your questions...

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27. Vejen exit ahead. Vejen can be translated as "roads"?
Almost, the correct translation would be "the road".


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33. Why do so many license plates start with an "Y"?
Because the license plates started with AA xx xxx back long ago, and go upwards. Today we have reached Zx xx xxx, so cars that starts with Y or Z are rather new. When the last zz xx xxx plates is made, we start with EU plates, and the numbers will no longer be in order, meaning old "unused" numbers will be used. Then you will see new cars with for example DT xx xxx or PF xx xxx or whatever.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 03:59 PM   #300
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Danish motorways with "names".
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