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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:24 PM   #321
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You can't really compare trains to cars, since when you're travelling by train, it's subsidized, while when you're travelling by car, you pay more than the actual costs.

Road: Investment + maintenance costs
Rail: Investment + maintenance + operating costs
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:25 PM   #322
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Ok, I just had a look. We payed 124 DKK for a return ticket København - Malmö, which was €16,90 back then (adult price). Not too bad IMO
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:28 PM   #323
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You can't really compare trains to cars, since when you're travelling by train, it's subsidized, while when you're travelling by car, you pay more than the actual costs.

Road: Investment + maintenance costs
Rail: Investment + maintenance + operating costs
Do you mean that the toll is higher than the actual cost or that you have to take into account that when driving you need to consider consumption and service costs on your car?
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:35 PM   #324
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The toll is not necessarily higher than the actual cost, what is interesting is to see how fast the investment of this bridge/tunnel has to be paid back by the tolls. The faster you want it, the higher the tolls will be. It's not really necessary to pay back such a large structure in 20 - 30 years, could be 50 years too.

In the U.S., many toll roads (Kentucky for instance) became toll free after their initial investment was payed off. Maintenance can be done from fuel taxes, but I don't mind paying a little toll after a structure has been payed off because maintenance of large structures is much more expensive than regular motorways.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:55 PM   #325
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That reminds me a bit of how some Norwegian cities introduced congestions charges to pay some infrastructure project, and when that was paid off they removed the charge.

I thinks it's easier to defend that an international connection should be tolled, as there won't be any discussions regarding who should pay for maintenance. But on domestic projects that's a policy decision from the lawmakers if they want to pay for infrastructure through taxes or through tolls.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 05:52 PM   #326
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Crossing by rail costs 78,40 SEK or about €7,30 according to the Skånetrafiken website.
This must be old info. The standard price for a single ticket is 98,00 SEK.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 07:28 PM   #327
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Oops, you're right. The other price is if you buy a 20 percent discount card.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #328
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Route 181 Danish westcoast
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I just uploaded a set from Route 181.

Pictures taken in May 2008. This is just a breakdown.
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1. Near Varde.
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2. Nice spring colors.
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3. We go right here.
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4. 22 kms to Nørre Nebel.
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5. Traffic lights + another Dutchmen.
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6. Low signage.
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7. Forests here.
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8. This is driving...
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9. Outrup city limits.
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10. Railway crossing.
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11. Roundabout signage.
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12. Nørre Nebel.
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13. Oldtimer.
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14. Signage
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15. Nymindegab.
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16. Entering coastal area
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17. Dune lake.
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18.
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19. Farm
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20. This is nice.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #329
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That last pic reminds me of the Dutch dunes landscape
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Old January 27th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #330
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21. Inland lake.
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22.
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23.
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24. Holiday park.
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25. View from the road.
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26. Hvide Sande
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27. Small town.
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28. The North Sea.
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29. Gas station.
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30. Houses.
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31. Intersection with Route 15.
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32. Distance on the back of a sign.
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33. Nobody ahead.
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34. Coastal dunes.
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35. You can't see the sea that often from Route 181.
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36. But why not park the car?
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37. WWII bunkers.
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38. Farm
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39. We take the quiet road again.
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40. Small woods.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 03:45 PM   #331
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41. The road ahead is nearly empty.
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42. Church along the road.
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43. Another church.
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44. Flags.
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45. Empty coastal road.
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46. This is fun
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47. Thorsminde fishing village.
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48. North sea again.
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49.
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50. Miles of the unknown.
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51. Somewhat more inland.
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52. Intersection ahead.
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53. That's not the sea, but dense fog.
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54. Sea fog actually.
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55.
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56. A bit more to the north.
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57. No traffic here.
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58. Lake.
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59. Still no traffic.
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60. Some plantation.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 03:51 PM   #332
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61. Spring colors.
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62. Sea fog touching shore.
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63. Lovely
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64. More woods.
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65. Roundabout.
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66. The sea. It was at least 15 degrees colder here in the fog.
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67. Desert-like.
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68. On the road; a traffic counter!
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69.
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70. Moors.
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71. Pleasure driving.
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72. Fog coming off the moors.
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73.
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74. Where are all the Danes?
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75. Local intersection.
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76. Hanstholm ferry town.
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77. Speed limits sign in Hanstholm.
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78. View of the port.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 02:12 AM   #333
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Nice pics mate - makes me want to visit the area this summer
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 08:38 AM   #334
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Shot with 6300 at 2009-03-01 ....on my way to work
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 09:37 AM   #335
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at 2009-03-01? How is that possible?

(it's March 2nd today).
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 09:46 AM   #336
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Maybe he took it yesterday?
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM   #337
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...guys skip the automatic date line,...it was sunday IF THE DATE IS SO IMPORTANT
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 11:24 PM   #338
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I´m just kidding.....I´m a time traveller...(right)
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 03:18 AM   #339
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You worked on a Sunday??? The pope will not be pleased with this action
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....I don´t think the people in DK pay a lot attention what the leader of the catholic church approves.
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