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Old June 26th, 2009, 12:23 PM   #381
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Old June 26th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #382
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I guess he means lighting poles, like in Belgium.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #383
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Copenhagen and their masterpieces. They should give some money to the ones from Jutland. e.g. in Aalborg, every singly afternoon there's a horrible congestion (only 2km long) north of Limfjordstunnelen, because those politicians don't want to spend money on a third lane (there is a third lane southbound, but not northbound) This extra lane for 1,8km will cost 70.000.000 DKK (9,4 mill. €)!
The price is really good, in Slovakia D1 widening from Bratislava to Trnava will cost 36,5 mil. eur /1,1 bil. SKK/ for 36 km. Anyway, it is adding an extra lane in both directions. Btw, Limfjordstunnelen has 3+3 lanes, well planned forseeing the increasing traffic volume.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 11:54 PM   #384
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yup!

But when just after the tunnel the motorway leads to two lanes you still have a botleneck.

Another problem is the roadcoming from the center just before the tunnel. The max speedlimit is due to a sharp curve 70 and waves together with the E45 from left. The slow traffic hits the fast traffic and that creates a lot of problems.

Basicly the tunnel could do for years, but there is no alternative.

My idea is just to make some modifications on the north side towards The E47 crossing and create an extra bridge south at the tunnel so that traffic doesnt come into the motorway from the left side. Maybe the should close the northgoing curve and lead all traffic over an expanded road at exit 24.
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Old June 27th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #385
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The reason why they can't make some major roadwork is that it would kill Aalborgs economy. It would be like closing the Berliner Ring (of course at a much lower scale, but the idea's the same) It would fill all of Aalborg C with cars waiting in long lines every morning and afternoon. It would increase air pollution in Aalborg (which is extremely high as it is) and it would block all traffic in and out of Aalborg stopping the supplys of critical goods such as food. And nobody wants all that noise. (I already think there are too many cars in Aalborg)
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Old June 27th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #386
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Well, let's face it, traffic volumes are not very high on E45... 60.900 max in the Limfjordtunnel, and only 45.000 south of it. That shouldn't be to big a problem on 2x2. In the Netherlands we have up to 115.000 on 2x2.
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Old June 27th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #387
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It isn't the 2x2 that's the big problem, it's the 2 lanes merging onto the E45 at before the Limfjordstunnel, they are driving 70 km/h and the ones on E45 are driving 90 km/h!
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Old June 27th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #388
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I made a video of this tunnel and surroundings back in 2007...
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Old June 27th, 2009, 11:49 PM   #389
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and in a traffic jam!!

But rush peek hours are 'huge' here in aalborg. It means that there is no traffic in the nights at all.. Normal during the day and huges in the rush hour.. Which leeds to a total collaps of traffic. With the unlucky traffic sollution south of the tunnel it will forever be a problem
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:21 AM   #390
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Unlucky solution? it's the worst solution imaginable. They should rather move exit 23 to within the tunnel (don't know if that's possible) it'll cost a least 10 million €, but it's all worth it.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 01:02 AM   #391
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Well, let's face it, traffic volumes are not very high on E45... 60.900 max in the Limfjordtunnel, and only 45.000 south of it. That shouldn't be to big a problem on 2x2. In the Netherlands we have up to 115.000 on 2x2.
You might have 115.000 on 2x2 roads in the Netherlands but that surely also create big problems. I've seen many of your posts about huge jams in your country, doesn't really seem like a "good example" to follow if you ask me...that being said without any knowledge of that exact 2x2 road you're talking about.

Ideally there should never be big jams, but of course it can't be solved alone just be keep widening the roads.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #392
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Sure, but it shows 60.000 is not really the upper limit for 2x2. You can go to 70 - 80 k without much problems..

But these problems seem to be of a different kind, not really the roadway capacity alone.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 01:46 AM   #393
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There's also ~60.000 on the Vejlefjord Bridge futher south on E45, and that part often has jams too. It has (more or less) been decided to widen that to 3x2 though, both north, south and on the bridge itself. IMO the faster they start recontruction work the better. The longer they wait, the harder it will be during construction phase.

But yes, the "Aalborg problem" is not just a case of how many lanes there are.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:27 PM   #394
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115.000 or 60.000 doesnt say so much when the peak is f.e higher in the 60.000.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #395
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The hourly capacity in one direction (2 lanes) is about 4.000 - 4.500, but traffic composition is also a factor. More trucks means less capacity.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #396
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The big problem in Aalborg is crossing the Limfjord. There are 3 connections:
1 road bridge (Limfjordstunnelen) 1 rail bridge (Unnamed) and 1 motorway tunnel (Limfjordstunnelen). If there's an accident or breakdown on the bridge or in the tunnel (which occurs quite often), crossing the Limfjord is impossible. The traffic jams may only be 3km long, but the traffic density is very high, and the speed is very low (50-70 km/h).
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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #397
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Yes there is a lot of traffic in Limfjordstunnel in Aalborg.

But the danish goverment and the Danish Road Directorate has suggest the 3 Limfjordforbindelse over the island Egholm and around Aalborg Airport to Hirtshalsmotorvejen E39 (Hirtshals Motorway)
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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:00 PM   #398
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Sad thing the 3rd Limfjord connection is going to be over Egholm, the only piece of nature in the area. If is has to be over Egholm, it would be great if the made a rest area or an exit, so you could get to Egholm without using the ferry.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #399
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Yes but is not sure.
People on Egholm and some of them in Aalborg will not have a motorway cross the island.
So the danish goverment and the Danish Road Directorate lies a 2 line.

Egholmline ( Cross Egholm)

Lindholmline ( Around Egholm)

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Old June 30th, 2009, 01:00 AM   #400
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I don't think people in Nørresundby would get happy if they made another motorway there. They already have major congestion problems and properties in Nørre Uttrup are already worthless, because of E39, E45, and in the future, The 3rd Limfjord connection
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