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Old November 14th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #681
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Fully agrees. Imagine a fire in a truck container full of chemicals, where would you prefer to be, in a tunnel or on a bridge.?
Trucks carrying dangerous goods are usually banned or have serious limitations in tunnels, like being allowed to pass only in small gropus without any other vehicle in the tunnel. The same may be true also on ships, at least on Messina strait freight trains with dangerous goods are shipped alone. Maybe in the case of the Fehmarn they would still have to use a ferry.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #682
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So, another disadvantage of a tunnel.

Another problem are tunnel safety features, which will inevitably need to be upgraded in the future at very high costs. For example the renovation of the Gotthard Tunnel will cost over € 350 million, and a Fehmarnbelt Tunnel would be even longer, with two tubes.

No, even at the same construction cost, the bridge will remain a far better and safer option.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #683
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So, another disadvantage of a tunnel.

Another problem are tunnel safety features, which will inevitably need to be upgraded in the future at very high costs. For example the renovation of the Gotthard Tunnel will cost over € 350 million, and a Fehmarnbelt Tunnel would be even longer, with two tubes.

No, even at the same construction cost, the bridge will remain a far better and safer option.
Higher maintenance cost for a tunnel (approx. 20% higher annual cost) is also one of the main reasons why the profitability for the bridge option remain higher for the bridge option than for the tunnel option, despite actual construction cost is higher for the bridge option, according to a brief presented to the Parliamentary Comittee on Transport a couple of weeks ago. http://www.trm.dk/da/publikationer/2...soverslag.ashx (sorry it is in Danish)
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Old November 15th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #684
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Another news from DK: Work started at the Vejlefjordbroen.

The whole section near Vejle becomes a 2x3 road
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #685
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Another news from DK: Work started at the Vejlefjordbroen.

The whole section near Vejle becomes a 2x3 road
Like you say, this project now starts, and from 2010 until 2015 this route will be jammed with problems. It´s allready one of the biggest traffic-jam stretches in Denmark, but now it´ll only be much worse, and 4½ years is a long time.

A map of the construction site, can be found here.:

http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/wimpsh...mage&id=267299

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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:26 PM   #686
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I was surprised by the intense truck traffic on that section. Much more than I expected.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 02:23 PM   #687
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I was surprised by the intense truck traffic on that section. Much more than I expected.
The section of E45 around Vejle has a truck AADT of 14.200, and even more on a weekday.

There has been som news report that the construction work will be speeded up, in order for it to be complete by 2013. But so far nothing confirmed. In 2013 E45 will be hooked with the new Herning motorway just north of Vejle. This will add even more to the problems around the Vejlefjord bridge. Today the Vejlefjord bridge has an AADT of around 65.000 (of which trucks 14.200), but by 2020 forecasts predict an AADT between 90.000 and 100.000 including traffic from the Herning motorway.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 03:50 PM   #688
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In 2013 E45 will be hooked with the new Herning motorway just north of Vejle. This will add even more to the problems around the Vejlefjord bridge. Today the Vejlefjord bridge has an AADT of around 65.000 (of which trucks 14.200), but by 2020 forecasts predict an AADT between 90.000 and 100.000 including traffic from the Herning motorway.
One of the worst mistakes on Danish motorways in my opinion. The Vejle Bridge is busy as it is, adding a motorway - even a relatively low trafficked one - will add to congestion. Traffic from Herning to Horsens can already use the high-standard PR 30.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #689
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I think most people agree that it was stupid connection Route 18 north of the bridge. I'm also pretty sure traffic will rise when Route 18 is completed all the way to E45, today most people going south use 176 from Give to Kolding instead, but when the motorway os completed I think most will use that instead. Add to that trafic from Route 13 from Viborg and maybe some from Silkeborg, and you could proabably have avoided some 20.000 vehicles daily over the bridge.

Herning-Horsens is not really an issue though, pretty much no trafic between those two cities. The few that travel that distance probably use 185 anyway.

Too late to correct that mistake though, unless the debated "Hærvejmotorvej" ever gets build with start/ending around Kolding. That is not anything that will happen in atleast 10 years though.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 07:59 PM   #690
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With the widening of Vejle-bridge we´re going to win some years, but those years should be used on building a new bridge-connection.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #691
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One of the worst mistakes on Danish motorways in my opinion. The Vejle Bridge is busy as it is, adding a motorway - even a relatively low trafficked one - will add to congestion. Traffic from Herning to Horsens can already use the high-standard PR 30.
The detour using Route 30 is too long, and nobody going south from Herning will use Route 30. The Herning Motorway will actually have an acceptable amount of traffic. From E45 north to the split between Route 13 and 18 at Tørring the motorway is estimated to have an AADT of 35.000 by 2020 (current traffic of 15.000 - 18.000 on the ordinary 1+1 road + traffic on the Route 176 from Give towards Kolding + ordinary growth).

The big issue being analysed currently is whether the problem Kolding -Aarhus, and especially around Vejle, in the long term shall be solved with a new parallel bridge across Vejle fjord (probably 5+5) and continued widening of E45, or a new parallel motorway from Kolding -Viborg - Aalborg shall be constructed.

Official forecasts the Ministry of Transport predicts that The Vejlefjord bridge will reach its maximum capacity in a 3+3 lay-out (current widening project) by 2025-2030 and the remaining sections of E45 between Kolding and Aarhus will reach max. 2+2 capacity by 2020 and max. 3+3 capacity from 2035-2040.

A parallel motorway Kolding-Viborg-Aalborg can relieve E45 to some extent. The initial screening report published in March 2010 by the Ministry of Transport concluded that a parallel motorway by 2020 will have an AADT of 20.000-25.000 and be able to relieve E45 from Kolding to Aarhus for about 12.000-15.000 cars a day. That will not solve the E45 problems, but for the forseable future only necessitate a widening to from 2+2 to 3+3 between Kolding and Aarhus. In addition a parallel motorway will service Billund Airport and the tourist facilities like Legoland in Billund and places like Viborg (Pop.90.000), that currently has a very bad road connection to the south.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 11:41 AM   #692
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The detour using Route 30 is too long, and nobody going south from Herning will use Route 30.
I meant there is technically no need to connect the Herning Motorvejen to E45 north of Vejle. Traffic that want to enter E45 in that area already has the Route 30 available. Otherwise there would be two parallel high-standard routes. So a connection south of Vejle would be better for north-south traffic from Herning to Kolding.

However, I think it's a bit too late to discuss this right now, as the plans are too advanced to change right now. If they would change it right now it would mean a delay of at least 5 - 7 years, if not more.

So we'll have to make our peace with the fact Herningmotorvejen will connect with E45 north of Vejle.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #693
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However, I think it's a bit too late to discuss this right now, as the plans are too advanced to change right now. If they would change it right now it would mean a delay of at least 5 - 7 years, if not more.

So we'll have to make our peace with the fact Herningmotorvejen will connect with E45 north of Vejle.
Yes, it's too late, it's already under construction.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 01:46 PM   #694
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Idealistically, from a network point of view, you'd have wanted it plugged in to the E45 at the junction with the connector to the E20.

But north of Vejle does mean less construction and it's not as if congestion on E45 is a massively pressing issue - it will be in 10 years, but not now.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #695
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Some pics of ideas for the Fermern Belt connection..

http://www.bt.dk/danmark/saadan-kan-...indelsen-se-ud

There is a slideshow overthere...
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:15 PM   #696
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #697
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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #698
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It'll be either a bridge or a tunnel. I think a combination would be much more expensive. Personally I would also go for the bridge, the price is pretty much identical.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 09:43 AM   #699
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Link to the brandnew traffic deal "Aftale om bedre mobilitet", a lot of new projects comming up, like the new A11 from Tønder to Esbjerg.

http://www.trm.dk/da/publikationer/2...mobilitet.ashx

Comments from some of the politicians, who made this deal come true.:

http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Esbjerg/Ny.../26/154515.htm

Interview with the minister for transport, from TV SYD.:

http://www.tvsyd.dk/video/32165


And comments from the local Tønder mayor, from JV today.:



Btw all the political parties, except one (Enhedslisten) voted for the project.!

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Old November 27th, 2010, 12:04 PM   #700
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Some interesting projects:

"Udbygning af Motorring 4 fra Taastrup til Frederikssundmotorvejen"

Construction of Motorring 4 from Taastrup to the Frederikssundmotorevejen

"Nordlig omfartsvej ved Næstved"

Construction of a 7 km 2+1 bypass of Næstved.

"Ny motorvej på strækningen Holstebro - Herning"

New motorway along the Holstebro - Herning route

"Rute 9 (Svendborg – Maribo)"

Feasibility study on the expansion of Rute 9 Svendborg - Maribo (incl. new bridge?)

"Rute 23 (Skovvejen) Kalundborg - Holbækmotorvejen"

Feasibility study on a 3 km new motorway near Regstrup.
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