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Old October 20th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #1021
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That's correct. The motorways are nearly irrelevant to intraurban traffic in Aarhus. Interestingly E45 wasn't completed at Aarhus until 1994. Before that all through traffic moved through the city.

Aarhus is not very congested on an international scale though.
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Old October 20th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #1022
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Jyllands-Posten reports that traffic congestion in Copenhagen is not as bad as politicians seem to think. It doesn't even have the worst congestion in Denmark, that title goes to Aarhus, a significantly smaller city. Compared to other Scandinavian countries, Copenhagen has very little congestion, not to mention compared to other European countries.

The average delay in Copenhagen is only 17%, according to TomTom data. Of course, the recent expansion of the motorway network around the city has helped reducing Copenhagens traffic congestion, but urban street congestion is also not very bad compared to other larger cities in Europe.
With the comming metro-expansion, I would say it's going to get even lower.
Copenhagen also has a much slower population growth than it's Scandinavian counterparts of Oslo and Stockholm.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 06:51 AM   #1023
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And still people argue that you can't build yourself out of congestion? Obviously, it's "a bit" more sophisticated than that, but still, there are some diehards that argue that throwing a four lane motorway on 60.000 AADT won't help at all (where I live: Kristiansand, Norway).

I beg to differ. (Given, of course, that not a bunch of monkeys do the planning of the junctions and the surrounding network of roads.)
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 11:50 AM   #1024
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And dont forget.. lots of roads are closed in Copenhagen.. The suituation is much worse then it should be normaly. And.. They downgraded lots of roads the last years (f.e. Nørrebrogade). Causing more traffic on other roads.

@Devo: AADT is saying that much when everybody starts driving at 8.00 in the morning... Thats what we see in Copenhagen to. High peaks, but empty all other hours.
Thats also the reeason of the CPH score being so 'low'.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 06:25 PM   #1025
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København is also somewhat excentric. Very little through traffic. Cities like Antwerpen or München have high volumes throughout the day.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 06:47 PM   #1026
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As eccentric as your use of endonyms in English sentences? :-P
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Old October 24th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #1027
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Kattegat link

A new study reveals the construction of the Kattegat link will be significantly cheaper than to upgrade the existing road and rail infrastructure. Additionally, it will offer substantial timesaving towards central and northern Jutland compared to the current connections.

The Kattegat link is, as the name implies, a fixed link across the Kattegat sea strait between Sjælland (Zealand) and Jylland (Jutland). There are several options to construct this link; for example a 40 kilometer bridge, or several shorter bridges via the island of Samsø.

According to the study, the cost of upgrading the existing infrastructure is approximately 91 billion DKK (about € 12.5 billion) while the new link would cost about half that and is user-financed instead of tax-financed (like widenings and upgrades to rail infrastructure).

The study will be used in a feasibility study carried out by the Danish government concerning the Kattegat link.

The Kattegat:
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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:08 PM   #1028
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Do you have a link?
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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #1029
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In Danish:

http://kattegatforbindelse.dk/nyhede...-44-milliarder
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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #1030
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Cool, thx
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Old October 25th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #1031
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Do you have a link?
A Kattegat link?

@kosimodo: The section I'm talking about has a good amount of through traffic. And when the ferry from Denmark hits the surrounding network around 15:30, everybody wants to get off, (and obviously on) at the same time as everyone else wants to get home from work. It's a mess. But not unsolvable, as some politicians think. And then we have the fantastic green movement who believes everyone can use a bike.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #1032
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Kattegat Link

My proposal for the Kattegat Link consists of either two bridges, two tunnels or a combination thereof via the island of Samsø.

This proposal has several benefits compared to a single large bridge further north. Sjællands Odde, the peninsula jutting into the Kattegat, is significantly urbanized with second homes and recreation parks. This makes finding an alignment for a new motorway harder and more expensive.

The southern route via Samsø makes construction easier and the peninsula near Kalundborg is not very densily populated, which means a new motorway alignment is easier and cheaper to realize. It can also utilize a larger part of existing infrastructure (Skovvejen).

I think two 16 + 20 kilometer links are also economically more sound. 4 ferries can be discontinued (or scaled down substantially) and it's closer to cities, which means higher toll income. The northern alternative is further from cities. The southern link is also more interesting for traffic from the Horsens area, again increasing the viability of this link. At the same time it will not make a lot of difference for traffic from København to Aalborg.

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Old October 25th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #1033
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Add a connection between the west bridge and north of Horsens and I am on
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Old October 28th, 2012, 10:24 AM   #1034
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According to the study, the cost of upgrading the existing infrastructure is approximately 91 billion DKK (about € 12.5 billion) while the new link would cost about half that and is user-financed instead of tax-financed (like widenings and upgrades to rail infrastructure).
What would that include and why so expensive?
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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #1035
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You have to consider that number runs through 2050, and the route in question is 300 kilometers long and includes both upgrades to roads and rail.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #1036
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The Danish Road Directorate have made a study of a possible motorway between Næstved and Rønnede, and through that study they have suggested four different alignments.

A: A motorway north of Holme-Olstrup which will follow the existing road on the last stretch closest to Rønnede to the South Motorway (Sydmotorvejen). This proposal is the best investment because it has the community business.
B: A motorway that follows the existing road, but will go between Toksværd and Holme Olstrup.
C: A ring road. This solution is the cheapest, and will cost half of what a motorway will cost approx. 500 million. kr
D: A motorway south of Holme Olstrup and Toksværd, which links up with the motorway south of Rønnede.

At the same time the Danish Road Directorate determined that it was cheaper to expand the existing main road with an extra track, but because there were so many buildings up the main road, it will not be profitable.
The Næstved Municipality has fought for a motorway in 20 years, and if a motorway (Næstvedmotorvejen) becomes a reality, it will cost approx. 1 billion. DKK

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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #1037
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Traffic volumes on Primærrute 54 are fairly high, with 25.000 vehicles in Næstved and 14.000 vehicles at E47/E55.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #1038
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The Danish Road Directorate have made a feasibility study of a possible motorway between Næstved and Rønnede, and through that study they have suggested four different alignments.

A: A motorway north of Holme-Olstrup which will follow the existing road on the last stretch closest to Rønnede to the South Motorway (Sydmotorvejen). This proposal is the best investment because it has the community business.
B: A motorway that follows the existing road, but will go between Toksværd and Holme Olstrup.
C: A ring road. This solution is the cheapest, and will cost half of what a motorway will cost approx. 500 million. kr
D: A motorway south of Holme Olstrup and Toksværd, which links up with the motorway south of Rønnede.

At the same time the Danish Road Directorate determined that it was cheaper to expand the existing main road with an extra track, but because there were so many buildings up the main road, it will not be profitable.
The Næstved Municipality has fought for a motorway in 20 years, and if a motorway (Næstvedmotorvejen) becomes a reality, it will cost approx. 1 billion. DKK
Do you have a link to the report? I cannot find it at the Vejdirektoratet web-site yet, but according to press report it has allready been discussed at the annual transport negociations in Parliament.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #1039
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The Vejdirektoratet has significantly expanded rush hour truck passing bans on a number of selected 2x2 motorways.

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Old December 1st, 2012, 11:40 AM   #1040
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The southern route via Samsø makes construction easier and the peninsula near Kalundborg is not very densily populated, which means a new motorway alignment is easier and cheaper to realize.
I wonder what the people of Samsö think about this plan ?

Is there going to be an entrance to the motorway on Samsö ?

The Kattegat bridge would be 2 bridges of similar length to the Store Bält/Öresund bridges together. Does that mean this one toll should be as much as the both tolls of the Store Bält Bridge/Öresund bridges ?

I wonder if the danish state is subsidizing the toll on the Store Bält bridge ? because it's cheaper to cross than the Öresund bridge, although it's about 1km longer

The only advantage with bridges is that they reduce the time of travel. The costs of the toll will not be significantly lower than the cost of the ferry.

It's bad luck for Denmark & Scandinavia that the geography turned out like it did.

231 km. That's the distance from Helsingborg, Sweden to Puttgarden, Germany. Seems like it's close but the water inbetween means you have to pay 110 EUR One Way !!! for the ferries only.

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