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Old June 3rd, 2013, 11:16 AM   #1201
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Old June 10th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #1202
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On my way from Sölvesborg, Sweden to Tönning, Germany today I took the E20 and the Great Belt bridge route (my first time). Some reflections:
1. Lots of traffic (and trucks!) from Odense to Kolding.
2. Widening works east of the Little Belt bridge have started, causing delays.
3. Somewhat bad lane discipline - quite many drivers switch tightly back and forth on 2x2 motorways, many times without signalling.
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Old June 10th, 2013, 09:45 PM   #1203
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There are plans to widen the entire route from Odense to Kolding to 2x3 lanes. Right now, the westernmost segment has the highest priority and is under construction for some time now, as you have noticed.

From what I've seen, E45 between Kolding and Vejle has the highest amount of trucks.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 11:44 AM   #1204
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There are plans to widen the entire route from Odense to Kolding to 2x3 lanes. Right now, the westernmost segment has the highest priority and is under construction for some time now, as you have noticed.

From what I've seen, E45 between Kolding and Vejle has the highest amount of trucks.
That is correct.
E45 around Vejle has a AADT of 13100 trucks, busses etc. (out of a total AADT of 66000) , whereas E20 between Odense and Lillebælt does not exeed 8800 trucks and busses etc. a day. Around Kolding - on the joint E20/E45 stretch - the truck AADT has maximum of 10100 (all 2011 numbers from Vejdirektoratet website).

Widening of E20 to 2x3 lanes has been approved, including all EIA requirement, all the way from Lillebælt to Motorvejskryds Odense (junction with route 9 motorway). However only the section from Lillebælt to Nr.Aaby is currently under construction (completion in 2014/15). It is yet unknown when the remaining sections will be completed.

2x3 widening of 17 km on E45 around Vejle, is under contruction and will be completed by November 2013. A short section between Vejle North and Vejle South will be completed by the end of June, before the holiday season. These days the final layer of asphalt is applied.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #1205
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I assume they rebuild the shoulder to a third lane of the Vejlefjord Bridge.

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Old June 11th, 2013, 12:24 PM   #1206
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The Vejlefjord bridge had a very wide median as well as a very wide right shoulder.

After reconfiguration of the bridge, it will have a very narrow median of 0,6 m (just the barrier), 3 lanes with a total width of 10,5 m and a relatively narrow right shoulder of 2,5 m. ( a total of only 26,6 m)

On the adjacent sections the new widened motorway will have a standard profile with a total width of 36 m, exept the section between Vejle S (to be renamed Vejle C) and a new Vejle S junction where the motorway will have 2x4 profile (total width 43 m).

It was essential the complete widening before the new Route 18 motorway to Herning is completed by the end of 2013, and attached to the E45 motorway just north of Vejle (new Motorvejskryds Vejle). With this new motorway the traffic on Vejlefjord bridge is expected to increase substantially.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #1207
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E20 Storebælt Bridge

The greatest bridge of Europe, the Storebælt Bridge or Great Belt Bridge turns 15 years today! On June 14, 1998, the longest suspension bridge in Europe opened to traffic.

At that time, 8.000 vehicles per day used the ferry. Today, almost 30.000 vehicles use the Storebælt, highlighting its importance in connecting Denmark. It is the third longest suspension bridge in the world at this time.

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Old June 14th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #1208
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Vejdirektoratet has posted these pictures of the Silbeborg motorway project.


Motorvejen ved Funder Kirkeby

Landskabsbro i Hvinningdal

Tracé til Sejling Hedevej Vest med bro over Skægkær Bæk

Erhvervsområdet med Gudenåen i baggrunden
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Old June 14th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #1209
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Broen over Gudenåen

Landskabsbroen i Nordskoven

Landskabsbro over Korskær Bæk med Mollerupvej i baggrunden

Motorvej og ny kommunevej syd for Hårup
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Old June 14th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #1210
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They seem to prioritize the construction of the bridges and not earthworks. Perhaps this project is contracted per object instead of all in one deal. Construction time is also a couple of years longer than most other new motorways in Denmark.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #1211
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But it´s also more complicated than just building a motorway on flat land like the Sønderborg motorway.

But when they are picking up the pace they are ready because the bridges are there.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #1212
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Any plans for a bridge Fyns hav -Böjden or over the Langelandsbelt ?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #1213
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Old June 17th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #1214
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They seem to prioritize the construction of the bridges and not earthworks. Perhaps this project is contracted per object instead of all in one deal. Construction time is also a couple of years longer than most other new motorways in Denmark.
Correct. That is the preferred method in Vejdirektoratet. It leaves more administration and management (thus more jobs) to them, but not necessarily the cheapest project. However Vejdirektoratet is moving in the direction of what they call total contracts, politicians likes them as it generally means quicker implementation, and even cheaper projects.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #1215
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http://www.soenderjylland.dk/Admin/P...ropa_print.pdf

Unfeasible and unnecessary plan to build a second north-south motorway across southern Jutland from Tønder to E20 west of Vejen.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #1216
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Chris, highways are not so bad at all, they are simply just a sign off good infrastructure, read; "wealth".

The wealth of Denmark, we invest all over the country! But sometimes the investments are not really located correct, like this proposal. It should have been more to the west in Denmark!

Nevertheless, this is nothing more than a proposal, and the politicians will once again, give it all to the capital, just like they allways did.

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Old June 24th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #1217
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I think a route along Primærrute 11 would make more sense, even though most of that route has quite low volumes. However, this proposed route through central southern Jutland has no proven traffic flows and it does not serve anything beyond village size.

It's not like E45 has incredible traffic congestion (in fact, it has no structural congestion at all). If traffic volumes are really increasing that much in the area, widening E45 to 2x3 lanes makes much more sense. Ultimately the route from Tønder towards the south goes towards Hamburg anyway, exactly the same destination E45 serves well.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #1218
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Building a motorway in not only for traffic.

It is a boost for the whole neighbouring area and even for the areas even further away. Investment in infrastructure is an investment in future. It si the only way to keep investments going in 'remote' areas.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #1219
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I think a route along Primærrute 11 would make more sense, even though most of that route has quite low volumes. However, this proposed route through central southern Jutland has no proven traffic flows and it does not serve anything beyond village size.

It's not like E45 has incredible traffic congestion (in fact, it has no structural congestion at all). If traffic volumes are really increasing that much in the area, widening E45 to 2x3 lanes makes much more sense. Ultimately the route from Tønder towards the south goes towards Hamburg anyway, exactly the same destination E45 serves well.
I agree completely with Chris. It make no sense at all to build a new motorway in the middle of southern Jutland. The area it will serve has a very low population density and no towns of any significance. It will not relieve E45 of any traffic (Vejdirektoratet has predicted congestion problems on E45 between Kolding and Haderslev after 2025), as the traffic on E45 is either local along the towns on E45, or towards the major centers along E45/A7 in Germany or Hamburg. Only an insignificant amount traffic is going anywhere further than Hamburg.

Furthermore neither the federal government in Berlin or the state government in Kiel has any plan to build(upgrade anything to the west of A7. The proposed motorway will thus end in a dead end at the Danish/German border.

If any improvements should be carried out in Southern Jutland it should be an improvement (not motorway or anything like it) to the regional route 11. That is where the towns and villages are. It could be in the form of a new by-pass of Ribe.

And by the way its is not correct that infrastructure in itself brings development and growth. It can assist and enhance growth allready taking place.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #1220
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Furthermore neither the federal government in Berlin or the state government in Kiel has any plan to build(upgrade anything to the west of A7. The proposed motorway will thus end in a dead end at the Danish/German border.
Well, the German B5 will be upgraded to 2+1 up to Bredstedt, see project page and map! The 16.5km long bypass from Hattstedt to Bredstedt will be implemented in the next years (OSM; plan approval order was passed in March 2012). But there will still remain a 35km gap from Bredstedt to Tonder with through-roads.
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