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Old May 11th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #1441
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The contract says, that it is planned to be complete the tunnel until 2018 (Art.1,Abs.3). There is already a delay...



Yes, Denmark is funding the tunnel, Germany only its hinterland infrastructure wherefore I have no idea how Germany should be ablt to speed up the project?
I am thinking on the motorway on German territory, hopefully 3 lines in each direction .

But as I understood it, the Project need green light from Germany as well?
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Old May 11th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #1442
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Yesterday me and fellow local scc member Milipumba visited the site of the demolition of the Egedesvej bridge between exit 31 and 32 on Køge Bugt Motorvejen.


When the new bridge is finished it will also have exit ramps (the number is not decided) because a new train station on the Copenhagen Ringsted high speed is being constructed nearby.

The new bridge will carry 8 motorway lanes and 3 railwaytracks.





New iconic social housing complex Cirkelhuset is not far away.





The contour of the new ramps a visible.

























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Old May 12th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #1443
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Seems as 6 year is a short deadline to complete such a big Project, but it sure would be nice if it would. Hopefully Germany can speed things up since they will no be funding the tunnel itself, if I am not misstaken.
6 years is a short period, especially with the German planning process in mind, but that is also why the tunnel company Femern A/S allready have started the tendering procedure. The consortia for the construction have allready been selected, and the bids for the construction shall be submitted by the end of 2014.

http://www.femern.com/service-menu/t...tion-contracts

That means that contact with the preferred bidder is ready for signature the moment the last judicial requirement has been met. I have never heard of such procedure before - tendering before the EIA procedure has been completed.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #1444
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It's common in the Netherlands. You usually only do that if you are convinced the EIA procedure is water tight.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #1445
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I am thinking on the motorway on German territory, hopefully 3 lines in each direction .
Nope! 2x2, but the Fehmarnsund crossing will remain 1x2 for the time being.

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But as I understood it, the Project need green light from Germany as well?
Yes. The plan approval procedure for the tunnel has recently been started - officially October 2013 but the public display has been started last week.
The plan approval procedure for the hinterland road (11km on Fehmarn plus 6.7km behind the Fehmarnsund crossing) has been started in October 2011. The plan approval order was announced to be passed until December 2012 but the procedure is still in progress.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1446
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I tell you what the difference between an American guy and a German guy is.

Once an American guy and a German guy met in a bar and decided each to build a house.
Six months later, they meet again.
Says the American: Three bricks to go, then it is finished.
Says the German: Three more forms to fill in, then we get started.
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Old June 8th, 2014, 08:12 PM   #1447
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I drove through Denmark today. I noticed two road work zones where all lanes were on a single carriageway, without a central divider! On E20 between Middelfart and Nørre Aaby the speed limit was 80 km/h, on E20/47/55 near Greve the speed limit was even 50 km/h, I haven't seen that before. There were just some low flaps on the marking dividing the directions.
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I drove through Denmark today. I noticed two road work zones where all lanes were on a single carriageway, without a central divider! On E20 between Middelfart and Nørre Aaby the speed limit was 80 km/h, on E20/47/55 near Greve the speed limit was even 50 km/h, I haven't seen that before. There were just some low flaps on the marking dividing the directions.
something like this what they used to use in Italy somewhen?
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Old June 8th, 2014, 08:42 PM   #1449
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Yes


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i used to see it in Italy very often in 1990es and 2000es. 1+1 division though, never 2+2
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I drove through Denmark today. I noticed two road work zones where all lanes were on a single carriageway, without a central divider! On E20 between Middelfart and Nørre Aaby the speed limit was 80 km/h, on E20/47/55 near Greve the speed limit was even 50 km/h, I haven't seen that before. There were just some low flaps on the marking dividing the directions.
That is the general way Vejdirektoratet do it during widening-projects. They don't use the steel barrier as seen in Germany.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #1452
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I drove through Denmark today. I noticed two road work zones where all lanes were on a single carriageway, without a central divider! On E20 between Middelfart and Nørre Aaby the speed limit was 80 km/h, on E20/47/55 near Greve the speed limit was even 50 km/h, I haven't seen that before. There were just some low flaps on the marking dividing the directions.
On Køge Bugt Motorvejen (E20/E55/E47), they were tearing the old bridge at Greve over the holidays. That's why the speed limit was 50 km/h.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #1453
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I drove the Øresund Bridge today again. The tolls are really too steep for tourists, it's just a scam. I know it's a bit cheaper if you get a BroBizz, but I don't want a subscription, or go through the hassle of returning it every year if I'm not sure I drive across the bridge next year...

The toll is € 49 one way. I wonder why the tolls are so much higher than at the Great Belt Bridge. Also, the Øresund Bridge tolls have increased quite a bit over the last 5 years.
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I also drove across the Old Little Belt Bridge. There was a lot of traffic eastbound, with slow traffic everywhere. Apparently people are avoiding the congestion due to roadworks on the New Little Belt Bridge. I avoided the congestion through Middelfart, but got stuck in traffic on E20/45 around Kolding. Friday afternoon is probably the busiest rush hour of the week there, there was about 8 km of slow traffic (<30 km/t) from Taulov to Kolding-Vest.
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Why are there so many cars on the shoulder in Denmark? I often see breakdowns, but also some cars simply seem to be abandoned. Aren't they towed away? I haven't seen this elsewhere in Europe.
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Why are there so many cars on the shoulder in Denmark? I often see breakdowns, but also some cars simply seem to be abandoned. Aren't they towed away? I haven't seen this elsewhere in Europe.
I drive/used to drive a lot in Denmark, but can't really confirm what you are saying. Sure, I've seen one or another car that actually seemed to be abandoned, but I saw this rather as a singularity.
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I've seen at least 20 on my E20-45 trips back and forth through Denmark. And I remember it from previous trips as well. I've seen no such things in Sweden or Germany. Some cars that appeared to be abandoned had some kind of plastic thing around the mirrors.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #1458
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In Sweden Police or other road service personal place plastic tape on cars where they know the owners are OK. It's probably the same in DK.
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Old June 15th, 2014, 09:11 AM   #1460
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I drove the Øresund Bridge today again. The tolls are really too steep for tourists, it's just a scam. I know it's a bit cheaper if you get a BroBizz, but I don't want a subscription, or go through the hassle of returning it every year if I'm not sure I drive across the bridge next year...

The toll is € 49 one way. I wonder why the tolls are so much higher than at the Great Belt Bridge. Also, the Øresund Bridge tolls have increased quite a bit over the last 5 years.
The toll is pretty much the same as the ferry ticket Helsingør-Helsingborg (or slightly lower but the higher price for the ferry is compensated with less driving). You should also understand that the bridge was an expensive thing to build in the first place.

And the price for tourists, it's a relative thing. Other than these great bridges, Danish and Swedish motorways are completely toll free.

As for The Great Belt - I don't know, is it possible that it is partly subsidized by the state? It is important for the Danish internal traffic after all, whereas the Øresund is that hardly at all (well ok, it's a part of the route to Bornholm from the rest of Denmark but that's marginal).
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