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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #1521
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To get back to topic, as far I know Helsingör is not even too exited about a link, that's when you something is wrong. DK is also smarter then to build a link only serving others, and no way we pay for it all so not happening.
And thats fine, now the castle Kronoborg is left alone and Helsingborg will be fine, the ferry line is also kinda cool, to take a "fika" on board after a long drive is the best.
Aubviously Helsingør looses some commerce with the traffic going outside - but so has every other town bypassed by motorway aswell. If you want to use 20 minutes to have a coffee, that's your choice - but then you can take it wherever you want, as a proper break it's not really long enough for my taste. Project is viable to pay for itself trough tolls i imagine. I guess a smaller project with just the road tunnel and no Ring5, rail infrastructure etc. is not being considered?
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #1522
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To get back to topic, as far I know Helsingör is not even too exited about a link, that's when you something is wrong. DK is also smarter then to build a link only serving others, and no way we pay for it all so not happening.
And thats fine, now the castle Kronoborg is left alone and Helsingborg will be fine, the ferry line is also kinda cool, to take a "fika" on board after a long drive is the best.
The mayor of Helsingør is actually one of the rather few in Denmark backing the project. I have seen no national politicians backing the project.

The Capital Region has declared an interest, whereas the mayors to the south of Helsingør is against, as they don't want a Ring 5, through their back-yard.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 10:32 PM   #1523
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The mayor of Helsingør is actually one of the rather few in Denmark backing the project. I have seen no national politicians backing the project.

The Capital Region has declared an interest, whereas the mayors to the south of Helsingør is against, as they don't want a Ring 5, through their back-yard.
I'm glad to hear that and I kinda expected this to be the case.
I'm sure the money for a link would be A funded mostly from this side and B come out of poor'ole Scanias road budget..And no, building a nice shinny tunnel for Norwegian truckers is not a priority here right now.

Let's drop the price on the bridge instead.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #1524
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E20 Great Belt Bridge

The Great Belt Bridge. It's great!


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Old July 16th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #1525
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Old July 17th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #1526
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Old July 17th, 2014, 01:48 PM   #1527
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Sorry, I'm working on it.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #1528
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It should be ready to play now.
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 04:10 PM   #1529
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Primar Route 8, Sønderborg Motorway

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Old July 25th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #1530
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My hat goes off to you ChrisZwolle.

Very interesting going through the thread being educated about roads that I often use by a guy from the Netherlands

You must surely be abel to make all the tree huggers and CO2 fundementalists cry themselves to sleep
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Old July 25th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #1531
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You must surely be abel to make all the tree huggers and CO2 fundementalists cry themselves to sleep
How does that follow? I'm an environmentalist, but I also favor motorway construction. There is nothing contradictory about that because within about a decade or so all new vehicles will be electric.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #1532
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Well, electric cars do also use energy (which comes largely from non-renewable sources). But road construction favours economic growth, and this can be used to reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
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Well, electric cars do also use energy (which comes largely from non-renewable sources). But road construction favours economic growth, and this can be used to reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
Some countries, for example France, use electricity almost all of which comes from clean sources. Other countries, for example Austria, use electricity almost all of which comes from dirty sources. Ending the use of coal to produce electricity would do more for the environment than would replacing all the cars with magic cars that don't require any energy. Cars which burn primordial fuels have already been cleaned up about as much as is possible and the only remaining step is going electric, like Tesla. Cars are already so clean compared to 30 years ago that environmentalists should focus their efforts elsewhere, like saving the oceans and the forests.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 07:55 PM   #1534
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Cars are already so clean compared to 30 years ago that environmentalists should focus their efforts elsewhere, like saving the oceans and the forests.
True. On example from a Danish project (Fehmarnbelt Tunnel):

Cars are polluting less and less and studies have shown that while ten years ago it was only possible to have longitudinal ventilation in a 10 km long tunnel, it is now possible in a 20 km long tunnel, due primarily to the reduced pollution from cars.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 01:51 AM   #1535
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Well, electric cars do also use energy (which comes largely from non-renewable sources).
The difference between an electric and petrol powered car is that the petrol powered one will always be burning fossil fuels while the electric one can get its electricity from many sources. Increasingly, these sources are clean like solar and wind.

Even if the electricity comes from fossil fuels, a power plant is about twice as efficient as a car's internal combustion engine.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 10:35 PM   #1536
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This might be slightly offtopic, but I don't find any better topic... for bypassing Denmark entirely.

Planning my forthcoming vacation, I found about Finnlines service between Malmö and Travemünde: http://www.finnlines.com/ferry-trips.../package_fares

The cheapest car package (including car and up to 5 persons) starts from €85 which actually seems to be quite a bargain when compared to Great Belt toll (€33), Øresund toll (€49) and the car's own fuel (about €40, of course depending on the car as well as the actual destination in Germany).

Also overnight services seem to be available; then a cabin is compulsory, but the extra price is well comparable with any Danish hotel.

So I'm asking, has anyone any experience about this line?
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 10:37 PM   #1537
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I took that ferry once as a passenger on a truck approximately 12 years ago. They are like cruise ships, quite luxurious. The distance is a bit too short for a good overnight trip, I believe unloading can be at 6 a.m. or earlier, when arriving in Travemünde.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #1538
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Nice Nord-schleswig or Sudjyltland used to be part of the Geman Empire
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Old August 4th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #1539
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It's more the other way, part of Germany used be Denmark, to bad they didn't re-claim it after 45.
Well there is always next time.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #1540
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It's more the other way, part of Germany used be Denmark, to bad they didn't re-claim it after 45.
Well there is always next time.
Hear, hear! But then let's take Skåne first.

Southern Jutland (Sønderjylland) was once German, the border was right south of Kolding. The region is still known as Nordschleswig and has an active German minority.

At other times, Schleswig-Holstein was Danish.
Altona, today a part of Hamburg, was once Denmark's second biggest city.

The region from today's border southward to the river Eider is still known as Sydslesvig and his a very active Danish minority.

Unsurprisingly, both minorities are very conservative and tradionalistic.

Some Danish politicians in Copenhagen do actually claim that Sydslesvig should return to Denmark.
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