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Old September 29th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #2121
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E22 Norrköping - Kalmar

Some photos of E22 southbound from Norrköping to Kalmar, which I took in June.

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E22-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E22-57 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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Old September 29th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #2122
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What a waste of money!
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Old September 29th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #2123
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Old September 29th, 2014, 11:50 PM   #2124
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What a waste of money!
No, most of the E22 was previously wide 13-meter road. Converting it to 2+1 was the cheapest option, way less expensive than making 2+2. Stop complaining about 2+1 roads in every f-ing thread.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 12:56 AM   #2125
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Little bit off-topic but hahahaha, I remember when I was in Högstadiet (junior high), we used to camp in Gamleby. It was a week of torture for us. A recommendation, don't let your kids attend Kunskapskolan.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 05:21 PM   #2126
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No, most of the E22 was previously wide 13-meter road. Converting it to 2+1 was the cheapest option, way less expensive than making 2+2. Stop complaining about 2+1 roads in every f-ing thread.
As we know,

a) Cheapest is usually not the best
b) In a few years if not now already 2+2 will be needed

As we can see

There is enough traffic for a 2+2.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 05:31 PM   #2127
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As we know,

a) Cheapest is usually not the best
b) In a few years if not now already 2+2 will be needed

As we can see

There is enough traffic for a 2+2.
2+1 is better than 1+1, which is what we would have if 2+1 design wasn't introduced.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 05:33 PM   #2128
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Norrköping - Söderköping may have been better as 2x2 with 14,000 vehicles per day. But otherwise 2+1 is fine, the stretch from Söderköping to Kalmar carries only 3,000 - 5,000 vehicles per day.

It's not like Sweden has massive traffic growth in rural areas that any conversion to from 1x2 to 2+1 would soon be obsolete.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 09:33 PM   #2129
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I took some fast pictures of the new R40 that they building, this is in Ulricehamn and you have to excuse the quality. It was taken with my mobile.

Towards Borås



Towards Jönköping (Ulricehamn intersection)


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Old October 2nd, 2014, 10:47 PM   #2130
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Norrköping - Söderköping may have been better as 2x2 with 14,000 vehicles per day. But otherwise 2+1 is fine, the stretch from Söderköping to Kalmar carries only 3,000 - 5,000 vehicles per day.

It's not like Sweden has massive traffic growth in rural areas that any conversion to from 1x2 to 2+1 would soon be obsolete.
Well, at least Söderköping will be bypassed in 2017.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 02:52 AM   #2131
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As we know,

a) Cheapest is usually not the best
b) In a few years if not now already 2+2 will be needed
Well, Swedish roads are among the safest and most efficient in the known universe, so they're apparently doing something right... Yes, cheapest is certainly not always the best, but if I'm to choose between the realistic options here - wide 2-laner with a 90 km/h limit or a 2+1 posted 100 km/h - my choice would be the safer and more efficient latter option.

Some people would prefer to see motorway-standard roads along all major roads in any country. That is obviously the safest, highest capacity solution, but in most places, it's completely unrealistic. Particularly where traffic volumes are low or moderate. It's absolutely fair to dream, but Trafikverket and others have to live within the realms of reality. With such constraints, 2+1 solutions are often more than adequate, both in terms of efficiency and safety.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:21 AM   #2132
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There is enough traffic for a 2+2.
You KNOW you need more than 13m for a 2+2, 2+1 is a good retrofit standard for 1+1 with hard shoulders that are not required nowadays.

2+1 is a bullsh1t new build standard in flat terrain when you can get 2+2 if you take another 3 metres more space.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 06:06 AM   #2133
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You KNOW you need more than 13m for a 2+2, 2+1 is a good retrofit standard for 1+1 with hard shoulders that are not required nowadays.

2+1 is a bullsh1t new build standard in flat terrain when you can get 2+2 if you take another 3 metres more space.
I agree, a good example of your point is the new build 2+1 strech between Skänninge and Motala on road 50. With grade separated crossings and flat terrain there´s no reason at all not to build 2+2 except saving a few bucks.

2+1 roads is a life saver and speed up traffic quite a lot on roads connecting smaller towns. It´s a perfect compromise between getting as many good enoung roads for a limited amout of money for a far streched country with a small population like Sweden. However, 2+1 roads should not be build on roads connecting larger citys or on bigger roads like E20 between Gothenburg and Stockholm, E4 between Malmö and Jönköping and E22 through Skåne and Blekinge. That´s just "dumsnålt" (being stupidly cheap) to use a swedish expression.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 12:23 PM   #2134
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But most countries do not have 13m wide 1+1 roads available to retrofit like Sweden did once. Sweden did exactly the right thing with what it already had.

In poorer countries with a crap stock of cars that break down a lot the hard shoulders are still needed. In Sweden with annual car testing/modern stock/high reliability the hard shoulders became largely redundant and can be replaced by stopping areas every 10km or so.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #2136
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But most countries do not have 13m wide 1+1 roads available to retrofit like Sweden did once. Sweden did exactly the right thing with what it already had.

In poorer countries with a crap stock of cars that break down a lot the hard shoulders are still needed. In Sweden with annual car testing/modern stock/high reliability the hard shoulders became largely redundant and can be replaced by stopping areas every 10km or so.
A country rich enough to afford good cars can also afford good roads with correct shoulders and appropriate lane numbers
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #2137
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A country rich enough to afford good cars can also afford good roads with correct shoulders and appropriate lane numbers
That's not how countries work I'm afraid. Wish you were right though.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:19 AM   #2138
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It isn't that far off though. Sweden has some Saabs running around and 2+1's, Texas is full of Corvettes and their excellent roads, Uganda has Peugeot 504 with 3 wheels and some dirt
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #2139
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The Peugeot 504 (Diesel) Estate is a war machine, not a car. Other than that I don't really see your point(s0 Kanadzie.
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Old October 4th, 2014, 01:28 AM   #2140
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oh que oui :P


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