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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #201
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Motorway Constructions E6, Section Svinesund (Border N/S) - Göteborg

Here a report about Motorway E6 constructions, section Svinesund (Border N/S) - Göteborg. This road is the main entrance to Norway and of vital importance for the Norwegian economy. On the Swedish side the progress is significant less than in Norway. Where is the so-called Nordic solidarity? Why do we have to wait in traffic jam not long after the border on a local road? Here photos from 21 July 2008:

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Border N/S at Svinesund bridge

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Distance table Göteborg 160

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Start new constructions with valley viaduct

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New viaduct under construction

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End of motorway sections under construction, distance Göteborg 121

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Recent completed section, distance Göteborg 100 with low level safety “egg-cutter” rails

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Uddevalla bridge with high level safety walls

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Closer look at safety walls, very exceptional in Sweden

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Entering city motorway in Göteborg with electronic travel time expectations table
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The E6 will be completely upgraded within a few years, by 2012 I do believe. A section just opened now in mid-June. There are many other motorway projects and so total focus can't be given to just this section. For example a whole bunch are opening on the E18 this year and several in the Stockholm area are also being dealt with.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 10:11 AM   #203
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Örebro - Lekhyttan... I want it now!
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Old July 27th, 2008, 11:07 AM   #204
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There are many other motorway projects and so total focus can't be given to just this section.
On my trip over almost all Swedish motorways last week, I had no traffic jam, except two sections:

1. E6 Skee - Rabbalshede
2. E6 City motorway Göteborg

More serious is that the traffic jam was OUTSIDE peak hours. This is unusual in the rest of Europe. These sections were a big contrast compared with the rest of Sweden. Other Swedish motorways had much lower traffic density than in the rest of Europe, there was space in abundance on the road. I can not say something about Stockholm, because I did not visit the Stockholm city motorways.

Outside peak hours I lost at least half an hour in the E6 traffic jams. It will be easy to make a calculation about the loss of economical and other benefits. Therefore it is reasonable to put the E6 sections on top. At least the loal roads shoud be made wider to e.g. 2+1 within a year, since we have to wait till 2012 for the new motorway. Even in poor Poland in such sections local roads will be made wider, while in the same time a new motorway is under construction, to avoid the loss of economical and other benefits.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 11:10 AM   #205
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More serious is that the traffic jam was OUTSIDE peak hours. This is unusual in the rest of Europe.
You should visit the Netherlands then.. We have traffic jams all day. They can be over 10km outside peak hours.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #206
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Not true. I visit EVERY DAY the Netherlands. There are in the Netherlands no motorway sections outside peak hours with traffic jam, speed less than 10 km/h, outside road reconstructions.
In Germany there are sections with traffic jam outside peak hours, e.g. A3 Würzburg.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #207
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On my trip over almost all Swedish motorways last week, I had no traffic jam, except two sections:

1. E6 Skee - Rabbalshede
2. E6 City motorway Göteborg

More serious is that the traffic jam was OUTSIDE peak hours. This is unusual in the rest of Europe. These sections were a big contrast compared with the rest of Sweden. Other Swedish motorways had much lower traffic density than in the rest of Europe, there was space in abundance on the road. I can not say something about Stockholm, because I did not visit the Stockholm city motorways.

Outside peak hours I lost at least half an hour in the E6 traffic jams. It will be easy to make a calculation about the loss of economical and other benefits. Therefore it is reasonable to put the E6 sections on top. At least the loal roads shoud be made wider to e.g. 2+1 within a year, since we have to wait till 2012 for the new motorway. Even in poor Poland in such sections local roads will be made wider, while in the same time a new motorway is under construction, to avoid the loss of economical and other benefits.
This is Sweden we're talking about, standard time between the initial decision to actual completion of the project is about 50 years.

With the ocasional exeption IE Malmö-Kobenhaven Bridge (120 years), Stockholm ringroads still only half built (formal decision 1948).
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Old July 27th, 2008, 05:52 PM   #208
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This is Sweden we're talking about, standard time between the initial decision to actual completion of the project is about 50 years.

With the ocasional exeption IE Malmö-Kobenhaven Bridge (120 years), Stockholm ringroads still only half built (formal decision 1948).
This kind of stories also has Germany, France, Switzerland, the Netherlands, etc., etc. You can feel the frustrations on the motorway forums.
Better look to success in motorway initiations. How did they do it? They did it by local governments (cities and villages). Need for economical growth, road safety, etc. Then also by moving the requests to county (province) level. A motorway initiator with political experience may be helpful here to bring the groups together and to negotiate about the hard issues. This process does not have to take 50 years. And if so, the government procedures can be changed and/or applied by the government in such a way that motorway initiation can be done much earlier.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 11:19 PM   #209
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E18, Section Arboga – Örebro – Karlstad - Border N/S

Here a report about Motorway E18 constructions, section Arboga – Örebro – Karlstad - Border N/S. Photos from 19 July 2008:

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Junction Arboga with E18 and E20 motorways

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Near Örebro

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An interchange near Örebro

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.....a whole bunch are opening on the E18 this year.....
Here is a part of the bunch of the E18, after the junction with E20 at Örebro. On the right a part of the new motorway construction.


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Border N/S in a non-motorway section
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Old July 28th, 2008, 04:03 PM   #210
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But one have to take account of the holiday season! There aren't any mentionable traffic jams on the E6 in the rest of the year, Atleast not worse than on parts of the much more important E20 or RV40.


According to road authorities,

*E6 has an AADT of 8 000 Rabbalshede-Strömstad. 36 km of new motorway to be finished by 2012.


*The E20 between Alingsås and Vårgårda carries an AADT of 15 000 - 20 000! 23 km new motorway needed, construction start unknown but probably not before 2010.

*RV 40 has an AADT of 12 000 between Rångedala and Ulricehamn. 16 km new motorway was originally dued to be finished by 2012, new construction start postponed until after 2011.

So in conclusion; we can see that the E6 is very prioritized!

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But one have to take account of the holiday season! There aren't any mentionable traffic jams on the E6 in the rest of the year, Atleast not worse than on parts of the much more important E20 or RV40.


According to road authorities,

*E6 has an AADT of 8 000 Rabbalshede-Strömstad. 36 km of new motorway to be finished by 2012.


*The E20 between Alingsås and Vårgårda carries an AADT of 15 000 - 20 000! 23 km new motorway needed, construction start unknown but probably not before 2010.

*RV 40 has an AADT of 12 000 between Rångedala and Ulricehamn. 16 km new motorway was originally dued to be finished by 2012, new construction start postponed until after 2011.

So in conclusion; we can see that the E6 is very prioritized!
Thank you for these data. I agree with you for E6 Rabbalshede-Strömstad . But, what about E6 Göteborg? Is it possible to provide AADT for E6 sections near Göteborg?
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Thank you for these data. I agree with you for E6 Rabbalshede-Strömstad . But, what about E6 Göteborg? Is it possible to provide AADT for E6 sections near Göteborg?
I made a map.

[IMG]http://i38.************/qnr33d.png[/IMG]

The traffic system in Göteborg is quite a mess, highways lack number signs and many road signs on ordinary highways are even green!

Examples:

Road 159 is not signed as 159, instead it's signed as leading to 158 and E6 and sometimes it's called E 6.20

Road 155 is not number signed at the interchange with E6, though it is signed as 155 in the western direction! to make things even more confusing this road is sometimes called E6.21!

Road 158 on the other hand is not officially a motorway but sometimes signed as one.

To make things worse the roads and interchanges are largely old, curvy and sub-standard.
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And now I bring you some holiday photos. Not all that good but I was mostly trying to kill time.

E4 Nyköping - Norrköping

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Trying to catch some night shots at RV 40, Jönköping - Ulricehamn. E4 & RV40 is the fastest Stockholm - Göteborg link.

2+1

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This part of the road was once of the most lethal roads here, but since then all turns where given separate lanes, speed was reduced to 70, overtaking prohibited and cameras installed and parts where replaced with a shiny new motorway last year but with an ADT of 12 000 it's remains a big bottleneck.

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I made a map.

[IMG]http://i38.************/qnr33d.png[/IMG]

The traffic system in Göteborg is quite a mess, highways lack number signs and many road signs on ordinary highways are even green!

Examples:

Road 159 is not signed as 159, instead it's signed as leading to 158 and E6 and sometimes it's called E 6.20

Road 155 is not number signed at the interchange with E6, though it is signed as 155 in the western direction! to make things even more confusing this road is sometimes called E6.21!

Road 158 on the other hand is not officially a motorway but sometimes signed as one.

To make things worse the roads and interchanges are largely old, curvy and sub-standard.
Thanks for the map, it explains a lot to me.

[IMG]http://i34.************/2i1z5zp.jpg[/IMG]
North of your Göteborg map is an electronic table with travel expectations. Only 11 minutes to exit 73 between the junction with E20 and the junction with Rv40.

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Point F on your map. So far, so good with the traffic density. Minor alteration is that I could see only see local destinations on the signs.

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Point E on your map. Here we have to slow down.

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Point D on your map. Two lanes for E6 going to the bridge to meet road 155. Traffic jam at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I had to stay in this 10 km/h section for at least 5 minutes. Here I can understand ElviS77:

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Also, driving the E6 through Göteborg (Gothenburg) is a nightmare. Several massive interchanges in a very short stretch of road, some with exits on the left, makes a complete mess of things. It was jammed for kilometres around noon (and the speed limit was - for no apparent reason - reduced to 30 kph... not that it really made any difference, the traffic moved at 10). Are there plans to make the E6 bypass Göteborg? It seems necessary.
So: do you know any plans for a by-pass or widening?

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Point C on your map. Junction with Rv40. Here we have space enough again, and the trip to the south can be continued with normal speed.
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Old July 30th, 2008, 03:41 PM   #216
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But one have to take account of the holiday season! There aren't any mentionable traffic jams on the E6 in the rest of the year, Atleast not worse than on parts of the much more important E20 or RV40.


According to road authorities,

*E6 has an AADT of 8 000 Rabbalshede-Strömstad. 36 km of new motorway to be finished by 2012.


*The E20 between Alingsås and Vårgårda carries an AADT of 15 000 - 20 000! 23 km new motorway needed, construction start unknown but probably not before 2010.

*RV 40 has an AADT of 12 000 between Rångedala and Ulricehamn. 16 km new motorway was originally dued to be finished by 2012, new construction start postponed until after 2011.

So in conclusion; we can see that the E6 is very prioritized!
We (the Norwegians) do not have any reason to complain (and I do not many do), because of the slight delay on those 46 km between Rabbalshede and Strømstad. To put things in perspective, even after the E6 N/S-border-Oslo is completed, there are roughly 230 km of the Norwegian E6 with AADT higher than 8000 without motorway standard. Even after the 40 km motorway extension north of Oslo, there are quite long lengths of the Norwegian E6 in the Eastern part of the country (north of Oslo) and in Trøndelag with AADT around 15 000 without motorway standard. The perhaps worst example is E6 south of Trondheim, with an AADT of 25 000 on an ordinary two lane/two way road.

Besides, on the E6 south of the N/S border it seems like nine out of ten cars are Norwegian, mostly on their way to buy some cheap bacon or to their holiday home. Almost all traded holiday homes are sold to Norwegians these days. Thus, we buying back this former Norwegian territory bit by bit, and are very happy that the Swedes are fixing the infrastructure for us for free....
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Thanks for the map, it explains a lot to me.

[Point D on your map. Two lanes for E6 going to the bridge to meet road 155. Traffic jam at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I had to stay in this 10 km/h section for at least 5 minutes. Here I can understand ElviS77:
This is probably rush-hour in Gothenburg, although the holiday season probably makes the Gothenburg traffic lighter.
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Traffic jam at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I had to stay in this 10 km/h section for at least 5 minutes.
Actually, variable speed limit signs near the one in your picture said "30" when I passed through... at 1 or 2 pm in the afternoon. In high summer, when traffic should be lighter. Hopeless, but understandable: Massive junctions with the E20 and E45 almost on top of each other plus the 155 junction just north of the tunnel is a recipe for serious jams. A 3+3 bypass with a new E20/E45 junction would make serious sense. Thus, the current road running basically through the city could be remade into a city boulevard or expressway. But it would be very expensive, obviously: the new 15-km E18 west in Oslo (due beyond 2015) is estimated to set the government - and motorists - back 800-900 million euros.
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3+3 bypass with a new E20/E45 junction
This one?

http://publikationswebbutik.vv.se/sh...m____2499.aspx

2 February 2007 Plan by the Swedish Road Administration showing Marieholmstunneln Bypass in Göteborg. Here an image from this plan, showing the new E6-E45-E20 connection.

[IMG]http://i35.************/2e3x1fl.jpg[/IMG]

My knowledge of Swedish language is limited. Is there any information when construction will start?
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This one?

http://publikationswebbutik.vv.se/sh...m____2499.aspx

2 February 2007 Plan by the Swedish Road Administration showing Marieholmstunneln Bypass in Göteborg. Here an image from this plan, showing the new E6-E45-E20 connection.

[IMG]http://i35.************/2e3x1fl.jpg[/IMG]

My knowledge of Swedish language is limited. Is there any information when construction will start?
The green part will probably be built before the yellow one. The yellow part includes an expensive tunnel under the Göta river, as seen in the map. As for construction start there is no final decision yet. We'll know when the infrastructure bill is presentated later this fall. My tip is they'll give this project high priority.

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Actually the green part (called Partihallsförbindelsen) has a construction start this autumn. Price 900 MSEK. A company (Skanska) has been given a signed contract to build it. It will take 2 years and finish in 2010. It was delayed for 2 years after the funding was decided because of the NIMBY effect (Not In My Backyard). Someone in the Bagaregården area (near the existing E20 road) did not want more traffic than already is by appealing everything and delaying as much as possible. Normally someone living near a new planned road might appeal and delay a lot, but noone lives near it, it is industrial area, and also railways (already noisy). The people appealing live near the existing road E20.

The yellow part (Marieholmstunneln) is a big improvement in capacity, much more than Partihallsförbindelsen, but costs much more, about 3000 MSEK. No decided time. Both are needed, since Marieholmstunneln without Partihallsförbindelsen would make megajam.
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