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Old May 15th, 2015, 12:47 AM   #2401
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Gothenburg's motorway network is spectacular. It must indeed be the most "American" city in the Nordics
Malmö is superior in that regard. Two full ringroads, meeting point of four E-roads, all built to motorway standard, and much higher quality roads too in regards to alignment, design speed and profile. Hell, even Stockholm is better than Gothenburg these days now that E18 Hjulsta-Kista has been upgraded and Norra Länken has opened.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 02:35 AM   #2402
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:17 AM   #2403
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It seems there is too much traffic there for just 2+1^
Traffic volumes are low here, no need for more lanes. A small section of the road 34 is a 2+2 motorway although low traffic volumes, because that part of the road used to be the E4 before 1977.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:35 AM   #2404
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Malmö is superior in that regard. Two full ringroads, meeting point of four E-roads, all built to motorway standard, and much higher quality roads too in regards to alignment, design speed and profile. Hell, even Stockholm is better than Gothenburg these days now that E18 Hjulsta-Kista has been upgraded and Norra Länken has opened.
True...But GBG has the most intense system, in it's east downtown area and soon they will get the new Marieholms tunnel there too.
One motorway is also going to be expanded from 2 to 3 lanes now, good things are happening in GBG.

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Old May 15th, 2015, 12:29 PM   #2405
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The bridge from the tunnels and towards jönköping. It's in iyit's finishing phases. Also, they have asphalted the roads from the end of the bridge all the way up to the end of the motorway. The first intersection needs some more asphalting but other than that it will soon be finished.

The motorway should open in fall. Sorry for bad quality picture.

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Old May 15th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #2406
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Question about routes: If I am driving from south-west of Copenhagen towards Stockholm, why should I use the bridge-tunnel rather than drive to Helsingor and take the ferry from there which is cheaper and about 70-80km shorter route?
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No reason, maybe the view, but nah, take the ferry.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #2408
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Question about routes: If I am driving from south-west of Copenhagen towards Stockholm, why should I use the bridge-tunnel rather than drive to Helsingor and take the ferry from there which is cheaper and about 70-80km shorter route?
If you come from Stockholm take the ferry Helsingborg-Helsingör. It takes only 20 min and that route is closer. There is no difference in price either. Add to that the fresh air you get at sea. I have seen quite a few estonian cars at Helsingborg harbour. If you go to Hamburg, Germany would you rather drive through Sweden/Denmark with ferries or go via Poland ?
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Old May 15th, 2015, 03:20 PM   #2409
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If you come from Stockholm take the ferry Helsingborg-Helsingör. It takes only 20 min and that route is closer. There is no difference in price either. Add to that the fresh air you get at sea. I have seen quite a few estonian cars at Helsingborg harbour. If you go to Hamburg, Germany would you rather drive through Sweden/Denmark with ferries or go via Poland ?
I'm personally doing both. Driving Tallinn - Belgium via Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Germany on the way there and Belgium - Germany - Denmark - Sweden - Tallinn on the way back.

The advantage of going through Denmark and Sweden is that you sleep one night on the ferry Stockholm - Tallinn which saves a night in a hotel and the distance is less of course. From Belgium to Tallinn via Poland is about 2200km and via Sweden 1500km (not counting the ferry connection of 400km).
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Old May 15th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #2410
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Question about routes: If I am driving from south-west of Copenhagen towards Stockholm, why should I use the bridge-tunnel rather than drive to Helsingor and take the ferry from there which is cheaper and about 70-80km shorter route?
By taking the bridge, you can avoid a) the lousy and congested Copenhagen west bypass, b) dependence on ferry time tables, and c) queueing at the port. The cost is about the same. The choice is more or less a matter of taste.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 12:24 AM   #2411
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By taking the bridge, you can avoid a) the lousy and congested Copenhagen west bypass, b) dependence on ferry time tables, and c) queueing at the port. The cost is about the same. The choice is more or less a matter of taste.
Ferry departs every 15 minutes so not much of a wait really.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #2412
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Like I said: American The network was built mainly roughly from 1950 to late 1960's; still, the citizens have no "Green fear" of building freeways surrounding the city center even in 2015, as it seems.

You may be right here. A large part of the motorway system in Gothenburg was planned during the 1950s and early 1960s. Since it was built parts later, but these projects belonged to the plans from the 1950s. During the 1950s, it was not at all unusual in Sweden took inspiration from the US. During the late 1960s and later however took then the impression from other European countries instead.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #2413
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Ferry departs every 15 minutes so not much of a wait really.
During the daytime, yes. Still, the capacity is not unlimited and you cannot count on catching the next ferry. If you get stuck on the streets of Helsingør and miss one ferry because of queues, the time saving is gone.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 12:22 PM   #2414
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The bridge is more flexible indeed. You can arrive at any minute, any time of the day and proceed immediately. The ferry may be a nice break, but it also dictates a break, even when it doesn't suit you. It's a matter of taste.
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During summer it's rare that you catch the next ferry, you will most likely have to get the one after ...the wait in harbor is not cool.
But if it's low season you should be able get on the next ferry arriving.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #2416
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You may be right here. A large part of the motorway system in Gothenburg was planned during the 1950s and early 1960s. Since it was built parts later, but these projects belonged to the plans from the 1950s. During the 1950s, it was not at all unusual in Sweden took inspiration from the US. During the late 1960s and later however took then the impression from other European countries instead.
By the way, there are a few small remnants that still show the ancient influences of the US that occurred during the 1950s. In addition to the solutions the motorways were built in Stockholm and Gothenburg can also see a few old motels from the 1950s. These are still on motorways
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Old May 17th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #2417
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Question about routes: If I am driving from south-west of Copenhagen towards Stockholm, why should I use the bridge-tunnel rather than drive to Helsingor and take the ferry from there which is cheaper and about 70-80km shorter route?
Business or holiday? Or more importantly, hurry or not?

I wouldn't count on saving time on the ferry for reasons mentioned in previous posts, but if that is not an issue, the ferry is maybe better. If you'll need to take a break anyway, you can take it en route. But if you are in a hurry (for instance driving non-stop to Stockholm to catch a ferry to Estonia) I'd definitely recommend the bridge.

On the other hand, the traffic on the bridge goes smoother (with good continuous motorway all the way, only interrupted by the toll plaza). Also the bridge is a sight worth seeing in its own right, though that doesn't probably count many times in a lifetime.

The price difference is marginal, more important factor being the fuel consumption of your car.
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The bridge might be smooth , but E6 has a frustrating traffic pattern with lot's of trucks and risk of bottlenecks, while the Helsingör motorway is all commuter traffic.
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