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Old August 5th, 2015, 09:59 AM   #2501
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No one was hurt. The pillar that fell doesn't have any supporting role for the bridge. They are starting an investigation.
Caused by the concrete-eating bacteria reported earlier?
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Old August 5th, 2015, 10:27 AM   #2502
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Caused by the concrete-eating bacteria reported earlier?
That was underwater I think. And only on the sheet piling.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #2503
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That was underwater I think. And only on the sheet piling.
Perhaps the reason is the corrosion caused by bird shit. The planning engineer believed the Swedish seagulls do not shit in public areas.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 12:52 PM   #2504
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No As shifty said, that was for the steel.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #2505
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Accident on E4

I was driving on E4 in Sweden last Sunday. There was a minor accident between Linköping and Norrköping: A driver hit the middle barrier and damaged about 40 cable poles. Because of the heavy traffic bound for Stockholm, the incident caused massive queues. We joined the queue about 1600 meters to the south of the accident location, and it took us half an hour to get through.

The people's behavior was a big surprise to me. Apparently, there is no code in Sweden to cope reasonably with this sort of incidents. Because Swedes have adopted all bad habits from the German motorways, my expectation was that the good ones are imported, too. Wrong. The last one in the queue did not put the warning lights on, and nobody took an action to make room for the rescue vehicles. The rescue vehicles were stuck because people seemed to ignore the mirrors of their cars.

The rescue cars made their approach by the book, i.e. between the lanes. People on the right lane moved back and forth between the lanes and the hard shoulder. When they finally understood to stay on the shoulder, the police made their approach: not between the lanes but on on the shoulder. That caused some extra hassle.

The biggest surprises for me were those two shameless drivers who decided to follow the first ambulance to bypass the queue. I have never seen such an action.

The response time of the authorities, except police, seemed to be outstanding. The fire chief was on the scene within minutes, followed by two rescue vehicles and two ambulances within next 10 minutes.

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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #2506
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The last one in the queue did not put the warning lights on
This is illegal in Sweden as warning lights are only allowed to indicate a vehicle standing still or being towed at slow speed. Not even allowed in this situation.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #2507
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I was driving on E4 in Sweden last Sunday. There was a minor accident between Linköping and Norrköping: A driver hit the middle barrier and damaged about 40 cable poles. Because of the heavy traffic bound for Stockholm, the incident caused massive queues.
I would say the heavy traffic is mainly local between Linköping and Norrköping (it's called the 4th metropolitan region) traffic is usually decreasing north of Norrköping.

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The people's behavior was a big surprise to me. Apparently, there is no code in Sweden to cope reasonably with this sort of incidents. Because Swedes have adopted all bad habits from the German motorways, my expectation was that the good ones are imported, too. Wrong.
No, driving on german motorways, means speeding in the left lane and very little understanding of keeping the distance to the traffic ahead. I drove on the german A20 about a month ago and swedish motorway driving is a walk in the park compared to the no speed limit autobahn where you have to change lane quickly to avoid speeders with no patience. Swedish drivers are a lot more patient and respectfull to eachother.

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The last one in the queue did not put the warning lights on, and nobody took an action to make room for the rescue vehicles. The rescue vehicles were stuck because people seemed to ignore the mirrors of their cars.
Drivers are not used to an accident, they rarely occur and drivers become confused when it happends.

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The biggest surprises for me were those two shameless drivers who decided to follow the first ambulance to bypass the queue. I have never seen such an action.
That is a very unswedish behaviour

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Old August 8th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #2508
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Apparantly someone didn't like that I named the two gentlemen tailgating the ambulance? What's the problem?
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Old August 8th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #2509
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I guess you are not allowed to publish the names of individuals.

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Old August 8th, 2015, 10:36 PM   #2510
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Traffic jams on motorways are quite rare in sweden and therefor swedes dont really know how to behave in such situations. So the reason is rather low experience and not bad manners.
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Old August 8th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #2511
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No they are not, I see stop and go traffic jams every week and it's a daily event on many stretches of road, but I have never seen that parting of the sea BS before, emergency vehicles drive down the shoulder in Scania.
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No they are not, I see stop and go traffic jams every week and it's a daily event on many stretches of road, but I have never seen that parting of the sea BS before, emergency vehicles drive down the shoulder in Scania.
Well Skåne in particular has very few traffic jams and i dont really count roads in towns. Imagine the strech Malmö - Helsingborg, how many traffic jams have you seen there?

And im not speaking about the video specifically. Im more speaking about things like puting on the emergency lights when a traffic jam occurs etc

I personally didnt know about this habit until i drove on german roads.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #2513
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Too many to count, Malmö to Landskrona there is always risk for traffic jams on workdays, but it happens on the entire stretch Ängelholm -Trelleborg regularly and in both directions for different reasons.
Here is an article on the issue from late 2014.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/skane/sa-h...en-okat-pa-e6/
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #2514
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Well i personally cant even remember when i got stuck on that stretch. Busy traffic - yes, but traffic jams? Not really.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:34 AM   #2515
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Where do you live and how often do you travel there?
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #2516
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Where do you live and how often do you travel there?
I live in Skåne myself and i drive that stretch about once a week and some parts of it every day.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #2517
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Well either you are really lucky or you drive off peak traffic hours.
I drive mostly on the ring roads and the Trellborgsmotorväg with less traffic then E6 north but still get stuck mostly by Petersborg and V Klagshamn/Vellinge at least once a week.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 04:11 AM   #2518
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I guess you are not allowed to publish the names of individuals.

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The information about the registered owners on those two cars seen in the video is publicly available and free for anyone to look up at the Sweidsh Transportation Authority: Transportstyrelsen.

Besides I had made the names anonymous for a search by using * for letters.

In no way did I promote hate against any individuals or groups. I simply presented fact when someone suggested another user was incorrect assuming the drivers were not Swedish. Which indeed they were not...
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Old August 9th, 2015, 11:52 AM   #2519
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Well Skåne in particular has very few traffic jams and i dont really count roads in towns. Imagine the strech Malmö - Helsingborg, how many traffic jams have you seen there?
Motorway traffic congestions are rare outside the Stockholm and Göteborg metropolitan areas.

If there is a congestion outside those cities the reason is usually an accident or roadwork.


The Jönköping area is also sensitive to queues because the E4 motorway runs through the central part of that city, also you have to slow down due to the E4 motorway being disrupted by the junction where the E4 meets the road 40.

Maybe it's time to build a new outer stretch of the E4 at Jönköping ?


Queues at the E4 north of Jönköping.


The traffic on the E4 has stopped due to roadwork queues.
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The information about the registered owners on those two cars seen in the video is publicly available and free for anyone to look up at the Sweidsh Transportation Authority: Transportstyrelsen.

Besides I had made the names anonymous for a search by using * for letters.

In no way did I promote hate against any individuals or groups. I simply presented fact when someone suggested another user was incorrect assuming the drivers were not Swedish. Which indeed they were not...
My bad then.

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