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Old October 16th, 2015, 10:00 AM   #2581
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Wow are f-ing kidding me, you can't even go cross town now without paying a tax, you lot are crazy.
105kr a day, that's 1/6 of the lowest earners daily income.

New Stockholm slogan?
I think Essingeleden should be free of charge until the Stockholm Bypass is completed, at least after rush hour, especially
because Essingeleden is they only major route through the city for traffic coming from other parts of the country.

But it's not a bad idea to have a toll 6.30-9.30 because of congestions, traffic is usually very slow there in the morning. Why not let cars registered outside the Stockholm area pass through on Essingeleden for free?

Maybe the toll will motivate more commuters to use the well developed public transport.
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Wow are f-ing kidding me, you can't even go cross town now without paying a tax, you lot are crazy.
105kr a day, that's 1/6 of the lowest earners daily income.
I don't understand why the Social Democrats approve this, taxes like these hits the lower and middle class hardest, a constituency they supposedly represent.
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105 SEK per day is the maximum. Very few drive through the city more than twice per day - and if you do it's usually as part of work and the employer/customer should pay.

That said Stockholm needs 3-4 more streets/bridges connecting the North and South.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #2584
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OK let's say it's 2 x 30kr a day, it's still 1/10 of a low income salary(after tax), this on top of car tax, gas tax and parking fee.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #2585
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I don't understand why the Social Democrats approve this, taxes like these hits the lower and middle class hardest, a constituency they supposedly represent.
It's the Green Party's doing.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 05:11 PM   #2586
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OK let's say it's 2 x 30kr a day, it's still 1/10 of a low income salary(after tax), this on top of car tax, gas tax and parking fee.
To be blunt: so? it's a choice to live where the car is the only option. Or you can take transit. If that takes crazy long time? Maybe not live where transit sucks? If you can't afford either? blame the pro-sprawl policies and planning that has reigned supreme for most of the last 100 years. It's the sprawl that is the heart of the problem, and one some of us are trying to reverse.
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It's the Green Party's doing.
Yes, but they are not doing that on their own. At the national level the social democrats + greens have a minority government. So other (larger) parties must approve it too.

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To be blunt: so? it's a choice to live where the car is the only option. Or you can take transit. If that takes crazy long time? Maybe not live where transit sucks? If you can't afford either? blame the pro-sprawl policies and planning that has reigned supreme for most of the last 100 years. It's the sprawl that is the heart of the problem, and one some of us are trying to reverse.
It's not that simple. There are hardly any places in an urban area in western Europe where the car is the 'only' option. Public transport is usually an option, albeit often a far inferior one in terms of convenience and travel time. For the far majority of car trips, public transport requires significantly longer travel times, even with congestion factored in.

Residential areas with very good public transport access often have downsides, they are either in less desirable areas, or in very desirable areas with the result of becoming severely unaffordable for the lower and middle class.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 06:24 PM   #2588
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Yes, but they are not doing that on their own. At the national level the social democrats + greens have a minority government. So other (larger) parties must approve it too.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated at the moment, lol... http://www.thelocal.se/20150608/do-y...dens-being-run
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Old October 17th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #2589
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Is the E-4 north from Stockholm really gonna be built featuring even long 5+5 sections?
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Old October 18th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #2590
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riksväg 40 motorway around Ulricehamn:
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Old October 18th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #2591
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In addition, tolls will be introduced on Essingeleden (E4), the motorway through Stockholm. There will be different toll rates on Essingeleden, slightly lower than the general congestion charge into central Stockholm.
On most of my trips through Stockholm, I usually enter Stockholm on TallinkSilja and exit on E4 southbound (or the other way around). The terminal is already within the toll area, but the new Norra Länken motorway going right past the terminal is not.

So am I supposed to pay twice, first when exiting the toll area right in the harbour, and then again on Essingeleden?

Or would I rather drive all the way through the centre, and only pay once on the other side? I'm not sure that's what they want...
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Old October 19th, 2015, 11:41 AM   #2592
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Anyone got pics? ETSman?
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Old October 19th, 2015, 01:12 PM   #2594
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The terminal is already within the toll area, but the new Norra Länken motorway going right past the terminal is not.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 01:30 PM   #2595
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On most of my trips through Stockholm, I usually enter Stockholm on TallinkSilja and exit on E4 southbound (or the other way around). The terminal is already within the toll area, but the new Norra Länken motorway going right past the terminal is not.

So am I supposed to pay twice, first when exiting the toll area right in the harbour, and then again on Essingeleden?

Or would I rather drive all the way through the centre, and only pay once on the other side? I'm not sure that's what they want...
The funny thing is that the night ferry from Turku arrives at 06:10 o'clock. If you happen to be located among those ones leaving the car deck first, you have good changes to reach the toll gates before 06:30 when the collection begins. The last ones will pay toll.
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On most of my trips through Stockholm, I usually enter Stockholm on TallinkSilja and exit on E4 southbound (or the other way around). The terminal is already within the toll area, but the new Norra Länken motorway going right past the terminal is not.

So am I supposed to pay twice, first when exiting the toll area right in the harbour, and then again on Essingeleden?

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That's how I understood it as well, you'll have to pay a toll both for the city and E4 right?
That's why I wrote 105kr, 2 x30 and then say 2 x20(5) a day.

Boom 100kr gone + ~50kr for parking.. Crazy place.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #2597
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Anyone got pics? ETSman?
Here you go! Shitty quality, but it does the trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rJDupVpaH4&t=12m35s
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Old October 20th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #2598
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I'll try to take some shots this week. but that video covered pretty all haha
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The funny thing is that the night ferry from Turku arrives at 06:10 o'clock. If you happen to be located among those ones leaving the car deck first, you have good changes to reach the toll gates before 06:30 when the collection begins. The last ones will pay toll.
Also true. Those travelling monthly, even in the cheapest class, earn enough bonus points for the gold level, which gives priority on both boarding and landing. (Whether Viking has a similar bonus program I don't know, but since that ferry arrives at 06.30, priority landing wouldn't help.)

On the other hand, when using the day ferry which arrives at 18.10, one can wait until 18.30 to save 10 SEK if that's worth waiting.

Of course the amounts discussed here a relatively small, when comparing to the price of the ferry itself. Mostly whining on a matter of principle
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Here you go! Shitty quality, but it does the trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rJDupVpaH4&t=12m35s
Is there any reason for the 100 km/h limit? The road seems to be fine so it must be political
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