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Old October 20th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #2601
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Is there any reason for the 100 km/h limit? The road seems to be fine so it must be political
I always drive 120km/h there haha
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:06 AM   #2602
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:16 AM   #2603
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Again no emergency lane - how much cost was saved and how much nature was razed less?

ALso, will Stockholm congestion charge still be free for foreigners? It was 2 years ago.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:17 AM   #2604
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ALso, will Stockholm congestion charge still be free for foreigners? It was 2 years ago.
It is not free.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:45 AM   #2605
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Yes. The same applies to the Motala bridge. The billing company sends invoices of 0.60 euro and more to the car owners. I am quite sure that most transactions create more cost than income to the state of Sweden. But principles are important. Especially in Sweden.

The question of the 500 SEK penalty fee for a late payment is interesting in terms of legislation. Sending invoices to citizens with the interest rate of one million (!) per cent is illegal at least in Finland, and subject to jail. Perhaps a receiver of such an invoice should sue King Karl XVI Gustav for shylocking.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 06:40 PM   #2606
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Again no emergency lane - how much cost was saved and how much nature was razed less?

ALso, will Stockholm congestion charge still be free for foreigners? It was 2 years ago.
Actually there is one but it is only 2m which means it barely can handle its purpose
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 12:20 AM   #2607
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Actually there is one but it is only 2m which means it barely can handle its purpose
The width is 21,5 m which is a lot for a modern Swedish motorway.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 03:01 PM   #2608
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Sufficient to allow 110 km/h apparently. As discussed in the Czech thread, they have a 22.5 meter wide expressway with an 80 km/h design speed (Vmax=90).
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 07:51 PM   #2609
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Sufficient to allow 110 km/h apparently. As discussed in the Czech thread, they have a 22.5 meter wide expressway with an 80 km/h design speed (Vmax=90).
Anyway, the width itself is less important, sight distance, curve radius, climbings more so. Traffic intense motorways of Sweden have the old standard, 26,5m from edge to edge excluding soft shoulders. By the way, te 21,5 section is also measuered from edge to edge, not including the soft shoulders. Keeping the old requirements would essentially mean less of kms high standard roads. Traffic intense motorways are already done. The roads you look at wouldn´ t have a chance at motorway standard by continental means.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 11:05 AM   #2610
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Also, cars, information and rescue/recovery have been significantly improved over the years, so the question is. Do you really need massive shoulders on a modern motorway?

I also guess that it have with traffic flow as well, high AADT roads would require to have all lanes open as much as possible, meaning a wide shoulder makes more sense, but these motorways that are built in a more rural setting that don't have that much traffic in comparison, then they could sacrifice one lane over a short period to get the obstacle out of the way, and quick information is a good help to aid the problem.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 11:43 AM   #2611
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I've seen only a few recent-built motorways with no shoulders or narrow shoulders. Most countries still incorporate a standard shoulder in the motorway design, so apparently there is still a need for it.

A16, Switzerland

IMG_5020 by European Roads, on Flickr

A29, France

A29-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

PR-23, Denmark

Kalundborgmotorvej-8 by European Roads, on Flickr

E6, Sweden

E6-323 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old October 24th, 2015, 12:38 PM   #2612
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In Spain, the average section is 1+3.5+3.5+2.5 for a design speed of 120 km/h and it feels comfortable -at least for me. In fact, there are plans to raise the speed limit up to 130 km/h in some sections, and some people are even asking for a 140 km/h limit.

Anyway, I don't think a 2 m wide shoulder is wrong if the expected AADT is low. Spanish motorways have quite a low AADT (compared to Germany or Italy) and most times I've come across a vehicle stopped on the right shoulder (usually some road maintenance van) I've had enough time and space to move to the left lane without needing to reduce speed drastically or compromising safety. Probably this is the case in rural Sweden too.
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Old October 24th, 2015, 02:48 PM   #2613
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The Estonian Road Administration has also decided to start following the Swedish motorway standards when building new dual carriageways, at least when it comes to the cross section. Speed limit will be either 100km/h or 110 km/h.

Cross section for the future expansion of Tallinn bypass:


Cross section for T2/E23 between Kose and Mäo (if it gets built):
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Old October 25th, 2015, 04:35 PM   #2614
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Road 34 south of Linköping a 2+1 road with a barrier, it seems like the barrier is assembled by joints every meter or so, seemingly because they are supposed to brake if a car crashes into it. Is the whole barrier made of steel ?


A motorcycle on the road 34 in late october.
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Old October 26th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #2615
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Road 34 south of Linköping a 2+1 road with a barrier, it seems like the barrier is assembled by joints every meter or so, seemingly because they are supposed to brake if a car crashes into it. Is the whole barrier made of steel ?
Not sure on if it is supposed to break if hit, I'm pretty sure that it's designed to stay in one piece to really keep out the vehicle to hit the oncoming traffic or else it won't do much good as a barrier to separate the lanes. The reason why it have so many joints may be to make it easier to ship and install. A short and somewhat light section could be installed by hand with little help of heavy machinery.
Yes, it's made of steel. This particular barrier is called Z ellipse and you can read more about it at the manufacturer: http://www.varmforzinkning.se/Vagskydd

Another interesting thing, while we are on the subject on median barriers, might be this document on how to disassemble various barriers on specifically 2+1 roads in case of emergency: http://www.t-olycka.se/index.php/com...download&id=88
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Old October 26th, 2015, 12:51 PM   #2616
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I've seen only a few recent-built motorways with no shoulders or narrow shoulders. Most countries still incorporate a standard shoulder in the motorway design, so apparently there is still a need for it.

A16, Switzerland

IMG_5020 by European Roads, on Flickr

A29, France

A29-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

PR-23, Denmark

Kalundborgmotorvej-8 by European Roads, on Flickr

E6, Sweden

E6-323 by European Roads, on Flickr
The Danish Route 23 motorway section on the photograph is not a new motorway, but an older expressway adapted to motorway with crash barriers in the median and junctions re-modelled. New constructed sections of the Route 23 motorway will be built according to Danish Motorway standards for new motorways which is 30 m (28 m from edge-to-edge and 1 m soft shoulders on each side). The paved sholders are 3 m on the outside and 1 m towards the median
Page 9: http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vej...enfattende.pdf
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Old November 2nd, 2015, 03:00 AM   #2617
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When will we see e18 on bridges south of grums and karlskoga? It feels like it wont happen in the next 50 years but it would be a very nice road
Someone know were i can find more information about these projects?
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Old November 5th, 2015, 03:23 PM   #2618
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E22 Rinkabyholm

Construction started on the Rinkabyholm bypass, just west of Kalmar. It will be mostly a 2+1 road, but a short segment that is combined with riksväg 25 will be a 2x2 motorway. It includes a new interchange at the location of the current E22 / Riksväg 25 roundabout, and a new interchange at the future E22 / Riksväg 25 split about 1.5 km west of there. The bypass is planned to open on 15 June 2018.

http://www.trafikverket.se/nara-dig/...i-Rinkabyholm/
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Old November 6th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #2619
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Construction started on the Rinkabyholm bypass, just west of Kalmar. It will be mostly a 2+1 road, but a short segment that is combined with riksväg 25 will be a 2x2 motorway. It includes a new interchange at the location of the current E22 / Riksväg 25 roundabout, and a new interchange at the future E22 / Riksväg 25 split about 1.5 km west of there. The bypass is planned to open on 15 June 2018.

http://www.trafikverket.se/nara-dig/...i-Rinkabyholm/
It should have been motorway the whole part as it is prepared for it in the south. Its 4 km extra motorway on flat terrain

Another news about e22 is that the bypass at söderköping will have a aqueduct instead of opening bridge. Just hoping it will be prepared for motorway as expanding will be hard in the future http://www.trafikverket.se/nara-dig/...i-soderkoping/
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Old November 6th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #2620
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Traffic over the new bridge in Sundsvall (Sundsvallsbron) - a new section of E4:

Sundsvall, Sweden, October 30, 2015, #1 by Anders Thorsell, on Flickr

Sundsvall, Sweden, October 30, 2015, #2 by Anders Thorsell, on Flickr

Sundsvall, Sweden, October 30, 2015, #3 by Anders Thorsell, on Flickr

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