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Old January 28th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #361
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We need a semantics scholar to clean this one up...
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Old January 28th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #362
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We need a semantics scholar to clean this one up...
Well... I'd say a slightly more overbearing attitude amongst a select number of members would suffice...

Sooooo... My problem-solving suggestion is as follows: Unless otherwise explicitly stated, 3x2 should be interpreted as equal to 2x3 or 6-lane.

(The "problem" might of course be that bickering about this is an important activity in itself...)
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Old January 28th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #363
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No 3x2 = three carriageways of two lanes each. |!|!| |!|!| |!|!|
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Old January 28th, 2009, 10:20 PM   #364
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Rules of the game were already established lads:

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Old January 29th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #365
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That has to be one of the best-looking tunnels scenes I've seen.

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Old January 29th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #366
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No 3x2 = three carriageways of two lanes each. |!|!| |!|!| |!|!|
I know this. But... I really don't think the average user of this page differenciates all that much, even though he or she perhaps should. Thus my urge for explicitness...

Personally, I prefer 3+3, 2+2 etc, where the plus represents some form of central divider.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 04:07 PM   #367
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The new E18 in Stockholm will start construction very soon!

It will be going from a regular road with lots of stop lights etc to a motorway partly in a tunnel connecting with the E4. Construction begins on the 20th.
http://www.vv.se/templates/page3____5265.aspx


Red is the new road, yellow are tunnels, blue are bridges.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #368
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Great news!
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Old March 8th, 2009, 03:53 AM   #369
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This is a greatly needed project. But I'm wondering how they will keep the current E4 between Kista and Järva Krog from becoming jammed. Plus they need a better solution for the traffic going from the E4 to and through Bergshamra.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #370
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The new E18 in Stockholm will start construction very soon!

It will be going from a regular road with lots of stop lights etc to a motorway partly in a tunnel connecting with the E4. Construction begins on the 20th.
Is it going to be 2+2 or 3+3?
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Old March 15th, 2009, 03:48 AM   #371
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2x2 from Hjulsta to Rinkeby and then 2x3 from Rinkeby to Kista.

http://www.vv.se/filer/16681/F%C3%B6rslaget.pdf
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Old May 14th, 2009, 02:25 AM   #372
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Here's some pitures from Umeå and E12 between Umeå and Lycksele. Not actual freeways but hey, something different.

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E12 Umeå - Lycksele





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Old May 14th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #373
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Okay so how about just not using the "x" with such 2x3 or 3x2 highways? Just call them a 3+3 or a 2+2+2 to make it clear what you're talking about.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #374
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Different countries use different traffic engineering terminology.

For instance, France and the Netherlands use 2x3, while the British use D3M (dual 3 motorway), while the Americans and Germans say "Six-lane" or "Sechsstreifig".
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Old May 16th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #375
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I always thought "spur" was more common used in German.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 06:10 PM   #376
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Watch the construction signs, they'll say "sechsstreifiger ausbau der A1" etc. But you have Fahrstreifen and Fahrspur, don't know the exact difference, maybe they mean the same. I guess "Fahrbahn" means the entire roadway made up of one piece of pavement.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 09:03 PM   #377
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Watch the construction signs, they'll say "sechsstreifiger ausbau der A1" etc. But you have Fahrstreifen and Fahrspur, don't know the exact difference, maybe they mean the same. I guess "Fahrbahn" means the entire roadway made up of one piece of pavement.
Fahrstreifen is the correct term as Spur relates to the track a vehicle leaves or would leave.

Fahrbahn is legally only the area one is allowed to drive on. That excludes hard shoulders and hard strips. In the context of constructing the road one refers to the whole paved width as Fahrbahn though.
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Old July 26th, 2009, 01:02 PM   #378
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E4 just north of Jönköping
[IMG]http://i30.************/23m5wty.jpg[/IMG]
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Old July 26th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #379
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That's a nice scenic road.
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Old July 26th, 2009, 09:51 PM   #380
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Worth mentioning is the "Slussen", an cloverleaf in the center of Stockholm build in 1935. It is considered the first (and probably still the only) inner-city cloverleaf in the world.
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todays view:
[IMG]http://i29.************/1znq2w8.jpg[/IMG]

The first German cloverleaf was the Schkeuditzer Kreuz near Leipzig, partially opened in 1936 and fully opened in 1938.
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