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Old January 27th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #441
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From a Norwegian perspective both Storlien (shooping and skiing), Åre (Skiing and booze) and Östersund are more important destinations than Sundsvall. I'm pretty sure Sundsvall is used as control city becouse it's the end point and still within reasonable distance.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 10:57 PM   #442
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Are there many gas stations along E45 in central and northern Sweden, or do you really need to watch the gas gauge?
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Old February 1st, 2010, 03:06 AM   #443
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Are there many gas stations along E45 in central and northern Sweden, or do you really need to watch the gas gauge?
In northern Sweden along E45, you'll find a gas station approximately every 100km or so. There's even a 24/7 open gas station in Vilhelmina.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 03:41 AM   #444
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31. What kind of font do they use?
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37. Bjuv exit.
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The font is called Tratex. It was made by Carl-Gustaf Gustafsson in early 1960's. Tratex is unique for Swedish roadsigns. All Swedish roadsigns have the font Tratex. This signs still have the same font like roadsigns in Sweden have 1962 but this signs don’t look like the 1960's because these signs are much more modern version than the original version.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:27 AM   #445
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Aren't the road signs in parts of Halland using a different font? It reminds me of the Danish signs.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:15 PM   #446
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Aren't the road signs in parts of Halland using a different font? It reminds me of the Danish signs.
You are right, south part of Halland have signs in Danish style. When they where new in middle of 1990’s they were look more Danish than they do today. In that time even the exit-numbers at the signs look Danish. But now they are modified and modernized and the exit-numbers are changed to the Swedish style. The font at those signs is the same like they have in Denmark, except for the exit-numbers who have Swedish Tratex-font. You can find those signs from Falkenberg to the border between Halland and Skåne. Helsingborg and Malmö have normal Swedish signs in normal Swedish style.

The signs were a test in middle of 1990’s. But it’s quite strange they are not changed out to normal standard signs after all this years.
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 01:49 AM   #447
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I noticed there are pretty some 2+1 roads in Sweden.

I wonder what makes priority for one direction to have 2 lanes in comparison with the other direction to have 1 lane. I guess it is the AADT in particular direction. (?)

Are there some “dynamic” mid lanes, which are changed to the opposite direction if needed?

Can someone write where all those 2+1 roads in Sweden are?
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 09:26 AM   #448
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Actually 2+1 changes into 1+2 and vice-versa every 1,5-2 km except in particular circumstances, like ascents. AADTs usually don't change much with direction of travelling, so that is not a factor.
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 11:05 AM   #449
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2+1 roads are a good alternative to motorways in areas where traffic volumes are not high enough to justify a motorway, but where you want to offer high quality flow and safe passing options.
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Actually 2+1 changes into 1+2 and vice-versa every 1,5-2 km except in particular circumstances, like ascents. AADTs usually don't change much with direction of travelling, so that is not a factor.
Cheers for that info, keber.

I suppose it is similar in other countries with 2+1 roads, like for example Switzerland?

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2+1 roads are a good alternative to motorways in areas where traffic volumes are not high enough to justify a motorway, but where you want to offer high quality flow and safe passing options.
I agree. The best solutions are optimal solutions.
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 09:16 PM   #451
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2+1 Between Umeå änd Vännäs on E12


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Old March 24th, 2010, 02:40 AM   #452
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I suppose some parts of this kind of 2+1 roads could be once (if needed) transformed into one half of motorway.

2 wide lanes with wide hard shoulder or even 3 lanes with narrow hard shoulder.





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2+1 Between Umeå änd Vännäs on E12
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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:34 PM   #453
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I noticed there are pretty some 2+1 roads in Sweden.
For those who would like to find out more more about 2+1 roads in Sweden:

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In Sweden, many 13 metres wide roads have been built, especially in the period 1955–1980. These have two 3.5 metres (11 ft) wide lanes, and two 3 metres (9.8 ft) wide shoulders, in the beginning planned as emergency strip, due to the relative unreliability of autos of that period.

Around 1990 the idea emerged to build fences in the middle of them and to have 2+1 lane. This would be a cheap way of increasing traffic safety, since these roads have had a bad safety record. The width invites to high speed. Some people were for example overtaking against meeting traffic assuming meeting cars would go to the side. The roads are a little narrow for 3 lanes, but tests were made on a few roads. It turned out that not only safety improved, but it was also easier to overtake than before, since the 2-lane parts give safe overtaking opportunities. After year 2000 more than 1000 km of road in Sweden have been converted from wide ordinary road into 2+1-road, all with barriers.[1]

Until recently the roads had the original 90 kilometres per hour (56 mph) speed limit in use on most highways. As a result of this, many people drove at 90 km/h at 1-lane parts but 110 kilometres per hour (68 mph) at 2-lane parts, this being the speed limit on motorways. The speed limit has now been changed to 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) with a notably smoother traffic flow.


As I (and Chris) already said I found those 2+1 roads in Sweden as pretty good solutions where there are no motorways (or other 2+2 roads with physical split).



Now I wonder:
- Is Swedish VV going to convert all 13m wide roads to 2+1 and make fences between them?
- Road with those fences is safer than road without them, but how safe are those fences?



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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #454
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Those ultra-wide two-laners are a problem, yes. When one is behind a slow moving car, the road clearly invites to passing it, even though there is oncoming traffic, and I have also done so myself (sorry). People don't understand why lanes are so wide, you practicly can run two cars in each direction without even using the shoulder...
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Old March 24th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #455
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People don't understand why lanes are so wide, you practicly can run two cars in each direction without even using the shoulder...
Actually if car width is 1,75m it would be exactly 4 cars without any space.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #456
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What's the point of those extremly wide roads? Only type of road that might be even stupider might be the 3 lane roads with a "shared" passing lane...
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Old March 24th, 2010, 10:43 PM   #457
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In northern Sweden along E45, you'll find a gas station approximately every 100km or so. There's even a 24/7 open gas station in Vilhelmina.
Sorry I dug so deeply in this thread but I reminded of something about gas in Sweden. Though, I mean LPG gas, not petrol.

Several years ago I was regularly visiting Sweden using my LPG converted car. I really loved to to drive there because of low traffic volume, incredibly good tourist information - on every lay-by could be find a box with free map of surrounding area - and landscape along roads, off course. Only thing which made me disappointed was the number of LPG filling stations there. Just seven all over Sweden, back to 2002-2003.

I checked current situation and noticed significant improvement in the number of LPG re-fueling places:

http://www.volvo200.org/tankstations_eng.htm
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What's the point of those extremly wide roads?
I wonder that too but on the other hand, here is what is written in wikipedia:

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In Sweden, many 13 metres wide roads have been built, especially in the period 1955–1980. These have two 3.5 metres (11 ft) wide lanes, and two 3 metres (9.8 ft) wide shoulders, in the beginning planned as emergency strip, due to the relative unreliability of autos of that period.
It looks like "1950's" thinking. No safety experiences.





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Only type of road that might be even stupider might be the 3 lane roads with a "shared" passing lane...
I definitely agree agree about that.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 11:13 PM   #459
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Those super-wide roads may have been constructed with slow traffic in mind, such as agricultural traffic, or forest services.
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Old March 24th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #460
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Rumours are going it is also be used as airport in wartimes.....



Here a piece ultra-wide near Vuollerim
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