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Old September 5th, 2011, 07:42 PM   #961
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I don't think this is a Scandinavian version, you can see this in other countries too, but very few.
It is rather a common design in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark but not in Finland.

Norway E18: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dramme...247.77,,0,-1.7

Denmark E20: http://maps.google.com/?ll=55.414065...2,21.67,,0,0.3

Sweden E4: http://maps.google.com/?ll=57.695789...181.17,,0,-3.8

Finland 7/E18: http://maps.google.com/?ll=60.277217...86.87,,0,-5.91

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Old September 5th, 2011, 09:27 PM   #962
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Estonia uses that type of exists as well on our dual carriageways but ONLY when the slip road is straight and long enough to brake after you've exited.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 10:44 AM   #963
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Thats right! Many junctions in Sweden are quite dangerous. You must slow down before you get to the junction. If you don't slow down before it you can crash.
I have actually never seen one of those junctions and I drive quite a lot. People are just afraid of braking hard, you should never slow down on the motorway.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 11:52 AM   #964
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Where do you drive then? They are common along E4 (south of Sthlm, that is). Not to mention the 2+1 roads.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 12:16 PM   #965
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The worst it the E20/E4 interchange at Helsingborg.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #966
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I don't think this is a Scandinavian version, you can see this in other countries too, but very few.
It is a Scandinavian (even uniquely Swedish) version when major features of a motorway is lacking on new builds. Mainly older and widened motorways on the continent feature short slip roads and narrow shoulders. If built today, most would be classified as expressways.

Just look at the strict motorway definition in Poland. Or even better, Estonia that currently doesn't have any. Many existing roads there could easily be re-classified as motorways if the Swedish definition was used.

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The worst it the E20/E4 interchange at Helsingborg.
Indeed, as it is one of the major motorway intersections in the country.
I'm not sure when it was built, but it actually looks like it is configured for left-hand traffic. The on-ramps are considerably longer longer than the exits:

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Helsing...=12,12.8,,0,-3
http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Helsing...78.86,,0,-5.91
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Old September 6th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #967
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Indeed, as it is one of the major motorway intersections in the country.
I'm not sure when it was built, but it actually looks like it is configured for left-hand traffic. The on-ramps are considerably longer longer than the exits:
It probably was. This part of Sweden saw motorways already in the 50s.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #968
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It probably was. This part of Sweden saw motorways already in the 50s.
Actually, this interchange was built in 1978.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafikplats_Kropp
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Old September 6th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #969
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Trafikplats Kropp is configurated so that only those coming from the south going west have to slow down. All other directions are made to maintain a speed of 110 kmh. I'd consider Kropp a bad example if you want to point out low-quality Swedish motorway builds.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #970
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Trafikplats Kropp and E4/E6 surrounding it was repaved last summer.
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Old September 7th, 2011, 01:19 AM   #971
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I wouldn't say it's common in Norway. This is something we mostly know from older, urban motorway-stretches. I wouldn't expect to see them in motorways younger than 20 years.

E16 and Rv2 are brand new motorexpressways, built after Swedish-imported narrow standard and only 90 km/h speed limit, but both have full length ramps:
http://maps.google.no/?ll=59.934516,...321.52,,0,9.47
http://maps.google.no/?ll=60.091492,...82.26,,0,24.04
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Old September 7th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #972
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Actually, this interchange was built in 1978.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafikplats_Kropp
I stand corrected.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #973
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Where do you drive then? They are common along E4 (south of Sthlm, that is). Not to mention the 2+1 roads.
I have probably seen them but not considered them dangerous.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 12:44 AM   #974
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They are dangerous. Most people are driving at least 120 km/h at the motorways. Very often they are driving faster. Specially the new motorways have narrow shoulders. And many junctions dont have any junctions with a braking lane. But if they didnt exists, we shouldnt have motorways there at all, and that shuld be worse.

Many of the new motorways are built with bad quality only for saving money and for political reasons. Beacause some political partys in Sweden think no new motorways should be built. So they are building motorways in bad quality instead and very basic. But the problems are, if they didn't built the motorways very basic and in bad quality, we should not have a motorway network today. So we must be happy to have a motorway network, but with motorways in bad quality instead.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 10:56 AM   #975
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If the ramps have a right angle and are long enough they are ok, and my experience tells me that most of them are (not all of them, though). One can enter them at a regular cruising speed (110-120) and slow down when on the ramp already. On the other hand an exit lane is much more convenient, that's for sure.

I guess saving on the road quality isn't in line with Vision Zero, but then again - maybe they accept lower standards due to relatively low congestion? I mean, it's not like they don't know how to build a proper motorway. E4 near Uppsala meets quite high standards.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #976
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Today it's 58 years ago the first motorway "autostrada" of Sweden opened between Malmö and Lund, currently known as E22. It was indeed the first motorway in all of Scandinavia.

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Old September 8th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #977
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IIRC, it will be re-built to 3+3 soon? Or maybe they have already begun?
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Old September 9th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #978
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They are dangerous. Most people are driving at least 120 km/h at the motorways. Very often they are driving faster. Specially the new motorways have narrow shoulders. And many junctions dont have any junctions with a braking lane. But if they didnt exists, we shouldnt have motorways there at all, and that shuld be worse.

Many of the new motorways are built with bad quality only for saving money and for political reasons. Beacause some political partys in Sweden think no new motorways should be built. So they are building motorways in bad quality instead and very basic. But the problems are, if they didn't built the motorways very basic and in bad quality, we should not have a motorway network today. So we must be happy to have a motorway network, but with motorways in bad quality instead.
There is not breaking lane parralell to the motorway you brake on the offramp. Its not the road thats at fault but peoples behavior.

Motorways in rural areas dont need to be extremely wide, thats just a waste of money. Spend the infrastructure money where its needed instead, in the cities.
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Old September 10th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #979
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E18 Sagån - Enköping

This 14 km section of new motorway opened for traffic in October last year. It has been discussed here previously, but I don't think any pictures have been posted before.


Overview.



The new motorway includes two new junctions, 13 bridges and two tunnels. The cost for this project was 720 million SEK (≈80 million EUR). AADT around 17000, speed limit 120 km/h.


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4. Narrow shoulders...


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6. This section of motorway includes rest areas for bouth eastbound and westbound traffic.


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8. Entering Uppsala county and Enköping municipality. The Frösvi tunnel i 220 m long.


9. Both the median and the shoulders have steel cable type barriers along this stretch.


10. The Ullunda tunnel ahead, 170 m long.


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13. Exit here for Enköping city center. Indirect sign for road 70.


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15. "Nattöppet" = open 24h. This is where the new motorway adds on to the older Enköping-Stockholm motorway.
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Old September 10th, 2011, 01:50 PM   #980
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Thanks for the report The tunnels look nice. They could've made an open-cut but it looks better this way.
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