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Old October 5th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #1021
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Interesting! According to this article, the new E4 will be signed expressway and the older dual carriageway southwards will be re-signed expressway.

http://www.larm-soderhamn.se/2011/10...otortrafikled/
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Old October 5th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #1022
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News clip about the new E4 alignment: http://svtplay.se/v/2556418/nya_e4_invigs_idag
At 01:29, you'll se a sign that says "motortrafikled slutar" (end of expressway). So it seems it won't be signposted as a motorway.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 08:39 PM   #1023
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At 01:29, you'll se a sign that says "motortrafikled slutar" (end of expressway). So it seems it won't be signposted as a motorway.
Good, it's the right thing to do! Because this setup, from the Söderhamn - Engånger section is pathetic:



...to say nothing of the fact that the road itself doesn't have hard shoulders and signed at every exit with ordinary highway turn signs:

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Old October 5th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #1024
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At 01:29, you'll se a sign that says "motortrafikled slutar" (end of expressway). So it seems it won't be signposted as a motorway.
Indeed, I then read it in this article: http://www.larm-soderhamn.se/2011/10...otortrafikled/
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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #1025
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Indeed, I then read it in this article: http://www.larm-soderhamn.se/2011/10...otortrafikled/
Somehow I managed to miss your post before posting mine. Anyway, today the length of Swedish motorways actually decreased!
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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #1026
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Somehow I managed to miss your post before posting mine. Anyway, today the length of Swedish motorways actually decreased!

That's just formalities. In practice, instead it increased, although the share is "only" just expressway. But largely works many expressways as part of the motorway network. Assuming this has been expanded today. In addition, an important part of E4 now have a much higher standard. Parts of northern Sweden has now become more integrated in the motorway network in a different way than it was before. So this is very positive for Swedish road standards.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #1027
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Indeed, the fact is that Hudiksvall is the most northerly place in Europe you can go without ever having to travel on a road where you risk a head on collision (I can't find the proper term in English). The standard of especially E4 has gone up a lot since just 1997. Of course, it's not comparable to Spain's or Portugal's evolution, but it's still a significant amelioration.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #1028
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Indeed, the fact is that Hudiksvall is the most northerly place in Europe you can go without ever having to travel on a road where you risk a head on collision (I can't find the proper term in English).
Not only Europe
Though Tampere in Finland is on a very similar latitude and it can be reached by a proper motorway all the way from Helsinki.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 01:38 AM   #1029
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Indeed, the fact is that Hudiksvall is the most northerly place in Europe you can go without ever having to travel on a road where you risk a head on collision (I can't find the proper term in English). The standard of especially E4 has gone up a lot since just 1997. Of course, it's not comparable to Spain's or Portugal's evolution, but it's still a significant amelioration.
The standard of E4 has gone up since Sweden got the membership of the EU.

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Not only Europe
Though Tampere in Finland is on a very similar latitude and it can be reached by a proper motorway all the way from Helsinki.
Hudiksvall is more north than Tampere. And from Hudiksvall you can go to for example Hamburg or Paris with only dual carriageway or 2+1 roads. Thats not possible from Tampere.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 11:27 AM   #1030
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I find it surprising how long it took before E4 was a proper high-standard road, even in southern Sweden. There wasn't a continuous high-standard road until the late 1990's. In fact, the largest E4 opening ever dates from 2007 when the alignment to Gävle opened, 54 new kilometers at once, possibly the biggest motorway opening in Sweden ever.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #1031
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I find it surprising how long it took before E4 was a proper high-standard road, even in southern Sweden. There wasn't a continuous high-standard road until the late 1990's. In fact, the largest E4 opening ever dates from 2007 when the alignment to Gävle opened, 54 new kilometers at once, possibly the biggest motorway opening in Sweden ever.
This was due to politics. Since Sweden joined the EU began E4 increasingly become a proper high-standard road. Before that, only the E4 motorway in some parts, while large parts still had a very low standard.

It was the first years after Sweden joined the EU that E4 was expanded as a motorway. But there were three elements that took longer.

One were between Ödeshög and Väderstad which lies just south of Mjölby. During the late 1990s, they thought that part would not be motorway until at least around 1996, although parts of the nearby converted into a motorway. But after a few months was certain policy decisions and would also become part of the motorway. This part was completed in 1999.

The next part that took time was part of Örkelljunga and Strömsnäsbruk. That part should have been done in the 1990s or earlier but was properly delayed. Among other things, there was political groups that tried to stop construction of the portion of motorway. Section between Örkelljunga and Strömsnäsbruk had extremely low standards and the road went straight through a number of communities that Örkelljunga and Skåne Fagerhult. This part should have been completed by 2000 when the Öresund bridge was opened but there was not even a decision to build a motorway between Örkelljunga and Strömsnäsbruk the Öresund bridge was opened in summer 2000. It would take another six years before this part was finished. It was a bad road that was an obstacle for a motorway between Stockholm and the rest of Europe. This part was built in two phases. First part of Örkelljunga and south of Markaryd. The part was opened 2004. But the remaining part south of Markaryd to Strömsnäsbruk was completed first in summer 2006. It was only then that Stockholm got a proper high-standard road to the rest of Europe. But at last it was made.

The third part was between Uppsala and Mehedeby south of Gävle. Although this part was prevented by politicians. For over 40 years they wanted to have a motorway from Uppsala to Gävle. But there were two alternatives how it would be built and no one wanted to let the other win. After a while, the political groups who generally opposed the construction of motorways. In various stages during the 1990s, many confident that the construction of this part would begin. They were so confident that they are sometimes stored on some work on the old road for sometimes thought that the new would be built at any time. There were several times during the 1990s as it was decided that the motorway would be built but a month later, construction was halted again. It was not until 2002 that construction began. The first part between Uppsala and Björklinge opened in 2006 and the rest was opened October 2007.

And now from 5 october 2011 it's a proper high-standard road up to Hudiksvall. It's going slow in Sweden but we are comming.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 02:23 PM   #1032
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There is still a "2+1 gap" at Ljungby. It is a horrible stretch.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 03:22 PM   #1033
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One were between Ödeshög and Väderstad which lies just south of Mjölby. During the late 1990s, they thought that part would not be motorway until at least around 1996, although parts of the nearby converted into a motorway. But after a few months was certain policy decisions and would also become part of the motorway. This part was completed in 1999.
The old E4 at this section was a wide road of good standard. There also was a great "RASTA" truckstop at Rök where I had dinner a few times. In Väderstad there used to be a staffed service station.

When the new motorway opened these places closed, but the wide road remains, although traffic nowadays is sparse.

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And now from 5 october 2011 it's a proper high-standard road up to Hudiksvall. It's going slow in Sweden but we are comming.
There is a reason for this. It's called population density.
Sweden: 20 inhabitants/km²
Germany: 231 inhabitants/km²

Having the low population density in mind, Sweden has a great net of motorways. Probably more km per capita of motorways than any country.

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Also, in the early 1990's there were four or so alternatives for the E4 in southern Sweden:



Sources: http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/?nid...ok_id=GG02T343 and http://www.riksdagen.se/Webbnav/inde...dok_id=GG03176

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Old October 6th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #1035
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Also, in the early 1990's there were four or so alternatives for the E4 in southern Sweden:



Sources: http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/?nid...ok_id=GG02T343 and http://www.riksdagen.se/Webbnav/inde...dok_id=GG03176
the blue line could be a possible alternative for a new road. Malmö would then be a closer destination for traffic coming from the north.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 05:13 PM   #1036
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Having the low population density in mind, Sweden has a great net of motorways. Probably more km per capita of motorways than any country.
One of the best in Europe, but still there are countries that have more motorways p/c. Canada rocks when it comes to that. There's some data on wikipedia.

Sweden's network in relation to the country's needs is pretty good, but there's still a lot to do. E20 towards Gothenburg, E18 towards Oslo, road nr 40 from Jönköping westwards - just to name the most obvious stretches.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #1037
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This was due to politics. Since Sweden joined the EU began E4 increasingly become a proper high-standard road. Before that, only the E4 motorway in some parts, while large parts still had a very low standard.

It was the first years after Sweden joined the EU that E4 was expanded as a motorway. But there were three elements that took longer.
Of course it was due to politics, but I doubt the EU membership had that much to do with it. A long list of motorway projects were given the go ahead in the early 1990's as a way to kickstart the economy after the financial crises (it didn't hurt that the Bildt-government back then was very keen on getting motorway projects started).

Sure, the EU membership may have changed attitudes a bit, maybe, but it's also true that very little EU-funding has been available for Swedish motorway projects.

The Norra länken (northern part of the ring road) project in Stockholm is an exception, roughly 55 million EUR comes from the EU. A big number, but still less than 5% of the total cost for the project.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:28 PM   #1038
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Yet another video of the new E4 Enånger-Hudiksvall: http://svtplay.se/v/2556942/gavledal...e4_invigd_idag
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #1039
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I'm pleased to see Söderhamn - Enånger downgraded to motortrafikled. It should never have been signed as motorway in the first place. Also, I'm pleased that a huge problem stretch is replaced by a new road between Enånger and Hudiksvall.

Now, beside just south of Sundsvall where construction has started, only 21km of regular 2-lane road remains, around Gnarp, which probably can be converted to 2+1 standard. With that fixed we would have "mötesseparerat" all the way up to Sundsvall.

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I think 2+2 all the way to Sundsvall is essential for the future of Norrland. Hopefully all new roads will be built with a 2+2 standard.
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