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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:48 PM   #1241
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True. It's also because of LKAB, that the town of Kiruna will move 1 mile east.

One thing I don't understand is why they don't build out the Malmbanan to a dual carriage rail road, it could be needed since there is so many trains there.
According to the Norwegian national transportation plan 2014-2023, the capacity of Ofotbanen (Malmbanan's Norwegian part) can be increased by 50 % by only making new and extending excisting meeting stretches.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 03:46 AM   #1242
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What is your point? It's not like the iron ore is transported on the E10, so I don't understand that argument. Yes, I'm sure the road is important for the LKAB company but what we are talking about here is upgrading a 1500 AADT section to 2+2 highway. Why is it needed? There is obviously not enough traffic to justify it...
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Do I have to explain the obvious? Yes, the iron ore itself isn't transported on the road, but mining equipment, consultants, weekend commuters, essential services to the town of Kiruna and what not.

I have no idea where you got the 2+2 idea from, since a continuous 2+2 highway isn't mentioned anywhere in the plans.




The other alternatives are 1) 2+1 sections with guardrail 2) 2+1 sections without guardrail 3) 2+2 sections without guardrail.

Most likely they will choose 2+1 without guardrail, i.e the cheapest alternative. Motormännens Riksförbund ranks E10 among the 5 most dangerous roads in Sweden. Reason enough for an upgrade?
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 11:40 AM   #1243
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Reason enough for an upgrade?
Nonono, the road needs to be in the vicinity of Stockholm first...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 04:36 PM   #1244
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Do I have to explain the obvious? Yes, the iron ore itself isn't transported on the road, but mining equipment, consultants, weekend commuters, essential services to the town of Kiruna and what not.
Why stop there, I imagine the road is also used by rescue services, arctic scientists, tourists on their way to the midnight sun...

... all of them amounting to the staggering number of 1500 vehicles per day (!).

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I have no idea where you got the 2+2 idea from, since a continuous 2+2 highway isn't mentioned anywhere in the plans.

The other alternatives are 1) 2+1 sections with guardrail 2) 2+1 sections without guardrail 3) 2+2 sections without guardrail.

Most likely they will choose 2+1 without guardrail, i.e the cheapest alternative. Motormännens Riksförbund ranks E10 among the 5 most dangerous roads in Sweden. Reason enough for an upgrade?
I have nothing against upgrading bad roads, I'm merely questioning the need for this upgrade. If road safety is your major issue I'm sure lowering the speed limit and adding a few more speed cameras would be much more cost effective...

There are too many sad examples of the government plowing down excessive amounts for infrastructure projects in places where it doesn't make any sense.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:32 PM   #1245
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Why stop there, I imagine the road is also used by rescue services, arctic scientists, tourists on their way to the midnight sun...

... all of them amounting to the staggering number of 1500 vehicles per day (!).



I have nothing against upgrading bad roads, I'm merely questioning the need for this upgrade. If road safety is your major issue I'm sure lowering the speed limit and adding a few more speed cameras would be much more cost effective...

There are too many sad examples of the government plowing down excessive amounts for infrastructure projects in places where it doesn't make any sense.
You think lowering the speed limit is the answer? Do you know what kind of distances we're talking about? I give up...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:53 PM   #1246
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I've driven up towards the arctic circle a few times at night, breaking the speed limit most of the way. Please don't ask me to break the law even more, the way up is long and boring enough as it is...
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Old July 5th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #1247
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Yes, I'm sure the road is important for the LKAB company but what we are talking about here is upgrading a 1500 AADT section to 2+2 highway.
No, were are not.

As the documents show, were are talking about making some improvements on a 18.5 km long road section. Most of road would be 1+1, with four 2+1 or 2+2 sections with total length of 4.5 km.

As the road is designated an European road (to be precise, a multiplex of two such roads), and the current curvature is substandard, I would not say investing some money there is waste of money.

Even if the traffic volumes are rather low, the main roads are expected to meet the minimum level of quality and safety for their total length.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1248
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Old July 8th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #1249
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Drove this road earlier tonight. It's not a main road, but still... 90km/h with signs "Vägskada" for almost the entire stretch.



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Old July 14th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #1250
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As the road is designated an European road (to be precise, a multiplex of two such roads), and the current curvature is substandard, I would not say investing some money there is waste of money.

Even if the traffic volumes are rather low, the main roads are expected to meet the minimum level of quality and safety for their total length.
Most Norwegian E roads tend to fail the minimum level of quality and safety for their total length, so for the most part, Swedish roads are just fine. :-)
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Old July 14th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #1251
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Just drove on the E6 from Southern Norway into Sweden for the afternoon. The freeway/motorway seems to be complete, except for one small section just south of Tranum. There doesn't seem to be any sign on construction in that part. Does anyone know when and/or if they are going to upgrade that part to motorway? Until it is, Oslo is still the only Western/Northern European capital to not be connected to the rest of Western/Northern Europe via motorway.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #1252
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Just drove on the E6 from Southern Norway into Sweden for the afternoon. The freeway/motorway seems to be complete, except for one small section just south of Tranum. There doesn't seem to be any sign on construction in that part. Does anyone know when and/or if they are going to upgrade that part to motorway? Until it is, Oslo is still the only Western/Northern European capital to not be connected to the rest of Western/Northern Europe via motorway.
It is planned, but I believed it has been delayed for some reason. Construction will start soon.

Also, Stockholm is not connected to the rest of Europe via motorway. There is a 2+1 stretch in Småland.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 02:31 PM   #1253
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Also, Stockholm is not connected to the rest of Europe via motorway. There is a 2+1 stretch in Småland.
Helsinki isn't motorway-linked to Continental Europe, either.
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Nor is London and Dublin.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #1255
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Nor is London and Dublin.
Neither Vaduz, Valletta, San Marino, Andorra la Vella and Rejkjavik.
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Vaduz as good as. Swiss A13 runs right beside it. We won't be needing motorways soon anyway, by 2015 they will do a hover conversion on all vehicles, and we will be flying. Also we won't need any gas, as Mr Fusion will transform all garbage into power.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #1257
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Vaduz as good as. Swiss A13 runs right beside it. We won't be needing motorways soon anyway, by 2015 they will do a hover conversion on all vehicles, and we will be flying. Also we won't need any gas, as Mr Fusion will transform all garbage into power.
Just vote for Major Goldie Wilson III so that he can develop his soon-to-be famous hover conversions.
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Just vote for Major Goldie Wilson III so that he can develop his soon-to-be famous hover conversions.
Indeed. Progress is his middle name!
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Planning a trip to Sweden next year.

I would like to hire a car and drive from Stockholm to Malmö (and back a different route). I understand that much of the route isn't motorway, but roughly how long would that take?

How are drivers in southern Sweden generally? Are they generally placid or aggressive and how are the police when it comes to enforcing rules such as speeding in particular (because I like to drive fast)?
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Old July 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #1260
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Planning a trip to Sweden next year.

I would like to hire a car and drive from Stockholm to Malmö (and back a different route). I understand that much of the route isn't motorway, but roughly how long would that take?

How are drivers in southern Sweden generally? Are they generally placid or aggressive and how are the police when it comes to enforcing rules such as speeding in particular (because I like to drive fast)?
It will take you about six hours if you don't make too many stops. If you take the E4 and E6 it is about 600 kms and all of it, except a 21 km gap, is motorway standard. Speed limit mostly 110 and 120 km/h.

Drivers in Sweden are generally not very aggressive. If you stay on the motorway there are no speed cameras but if you are spotted by a police car there is usually little tolerance for speeding. Maximum speeding fine is 4000 SEK (571USD).
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