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Old August 13th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #1321
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Not really, those motorways cost a fraction of what they cost in other countries. Typically only 2 - 4 million per kilometer.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 03:54 PM   #1322
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Depends on where you live. I drove all E4 from Helsingborg-Stockholm this year and there are numerous stops along the way.

Sillekrog, Stavsjö, Nyköpingsbro, Klinga, Herrbeta, Mobilia Mantorp, Östgötaporten...I can go on for ever. All those places have restaurants often McDonalds junk food.

In average it's about 50km between the truckstops.
Yes its a lot better if you go south of Stockholm but the food is still of poor quality (with a few exceptions). If you go north though the situation is really bad.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #1323
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Yes its a lot better if you go south of Stockholm but the food is still of poor quality (with a few exceptions). If you go north though the situation is really bad.
Usually places along the motorways sell Mcjunk-food.

But, I have dined at Nyköpingsbro and I think its a decent lunch restaurant as most restaurants of "Diners" and "Rasta".

I also remember dining at Herrbeta, Östgötaporten and the old Rasta at Rök, Östergötland before they built the new motorway-stretch Mjölby-Ödeshög, quite tasty but fat food. Look at the physics of truckdrivers and you realize what kind of food they eat on the road.

I have been on the road quite a lot this summer, I drove to Stockholm, Gränna, Örebro, Flen and gained weight. I weigh 78kg now so I prefer staying at home and eat my homecooked meals !
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Old August 14th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #1324
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McDonalds junk???
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Old August 15th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #1325
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The Marché restaurants are pretty decent. Don't you have any of those? Otherwise, even most gas stations offer more healthy alternatives these days.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #1326
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Riksväg 73: Stockholm - Nynäshamn

Riksväg (National route) 73, Stockholm - Nynäshamn.

Riksväg 73 connects Stockholm and Nynäshamn, a distance of about 60 kms. Nynäshamn has roughly 13 000 inhabitants and is also an important harbour, with passenger traffic to - among other places - Gdansk in Poland.

The last section of the motorway was opened to traffic in 2010. AADT varies between 55000 (near Stockholm) to around 10 000 on the section closest to Nynäshamn. One of only a few motorways in Sweden without numbered exits.



1:Riksväg 73 is not signed as a motorway as it leaves Stockholm, although there are no level-crossings. Speed limit 70 km/h.


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41:The last few kms is a normal country road.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 01:49 AM   #1327
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No exit numbers, the way it's mean't to be.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #1328
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I drove that road many times. The 70 km/h speed limit on the "Nynäsvägen" is easy to exceed, many drivers tend to do that.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #1329
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Nice report. 70 km/h is really too slow except for the situation in the first two photos.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #1330
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Nice report. 70 km/h is really too slow except for the situation in the first two photos.
I agree, especially the situation in picture 7 with two 3,75 (or possibly 3,5m) lanes, crash barriers and emergency lanes. It does become 90 after picture 9 and then 110.


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No exit numbers, the way it's mean't to be.
You don't like exit numbering per se or just not the current design? Personally I prefer the Norwegian design much more, where it's integrated in the sign. Also, I've never understood why our exit signs are yellow...

Norway, overhead sign (photo: @Ingenioren)


Swedish overhead, exit symbol on the side.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #1331
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You don't like exit numbering per se or just not the current design? Personally I prefer the Norwegian design much more, where it's integrated in the sign. Also, I've never understood why our exit signs are yellow...
I'm not very fond of the exit numbers at all, but my biggest gripe with having them is indeed the current implementation. My suggestion would be to put a supplementary sign on the "Trafikplats" signs instead of every exit sign.

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Old August 16th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #1332
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That might be one of the reasons behind the financial crisis in Spain.
That's obvious, but I just showed this as an exaple.

You have really decent motorways in the Stockholm area, 3+3-laned as it should be.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1333
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....Also, I've never understood why our exit signs are yellow...
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Quebec has yellow ones too:

http://www.barraclou.com/photo/highw...ortie143_3.jpg

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Old August 17th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #1334
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I drove that road many times. The 70 km/h speed limit on the "Nynäsvägen" is easy to exceed, many drivers tend to do that.
Same with E4/E20 through Stockholm.
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Old August 18th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #1335
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There was an accident on the E4 north of Stockholm this morning where someone hit the gantry and caused it to collapse. The accident happened at 5 a.m. and the road was closed southbound for at least three hours.

It does rise the question if Swedish gantry signs are robust enough. After all, that road carries over 100 000 cars a day and one can only imagine what could have happened if that accidents had occurred at rush hour traffic.

Here's a picture someone sent to a newspaper.



It is Trafikplats Järva Krog, here's an older picture.

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Old August 18th, 2012, 12:13 PM   #1336
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I wondered about those gantries before. The gantries look very flimsy. How do they hold out with high winds?
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Old August 18th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #1337
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I drove that road many times. The 70 km/h speed limit on the "Nynäsvägen" is easy to exceed, many drivers tend to do that.
Its to wide, they should narrow it down and cobblestone it or something. I mean its almost a inner city street through enskede it doesnt have to be motorway standard.
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That section carries over 40.000 vehicles per day, so it's rightfully an expressway. A tunnel would be better, but downgrading it to cobblestones is nonsense.
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Old August 18th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #1339
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I wondered about those gantries before. The gantries look very flimsy. How do they hold out with high winds?
I've never heard about them falling down because of strong wind, but I don't have any hard data.

I can see how gantry design is challenging ; on the one hand you want them to be robust enough not to fall down and potentially killing people, on the other hand you want them to be soft enough so that people can survive crashing into them. It certainly seems like the current Swedish design doesn't meet both objectives, at least not when they are packed with both ordinary signs and electronic equipment.
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Old August 18th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #1340
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That section carries over 40.000 vehicles per day, so it's rightfully an expressway. A tunnel would be better, but downgrading it to cobblestones is nonsense.
A tunnel would be much better given the residential areas around the road. It is a very unpleasant area at the moment. That would also free up a new tract of land as the road doesn't need to be as wide as it is currently if it were tunnelled.
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