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Old August 29th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #1381
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No, it has ten routes, nine in September. You might have forgotten the Hirtshals-Kristiansand ferry route across Skagerrak.
Halsa-Kanestraum, Molde-Vestnes, Sula-Festøy, Volda-Folkestad (to be bypassed), Lote-Anda, Oppedal-Lavik, Halhjem-Sandvikvåg, Mortavika-Arsvågen and Kristiansand-Hirtshals makes nine, not ten, in my book. Have I forgotten any..?
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Old August 30th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #1382
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Cool video, even if it´s over 20 min long.
Nice to finally see quite some construction on the E22!

Have just driven that entire route once myself, like 7-8 years ago... Have been driving on some parts of E22 in Scania and around Kalmar more recently though
I've driven between Karlskrona and Kalmar about a dozen times on E22 and tried some alternative routes at other times. The best option during summer season (and sometimes during normal time of the year depending on when the lorries to/from the ferries in Karlskrona arrive) is to turn off E22 near Söderåkra, drive on road 130 to Torsås, once there turn left and right to Flyeryd (the name of the street is even "Karlskronavägen"). That way you'll have a lot less traffic and you'll also experience one of the straightest roads the Swedish road network has to offer (even if it's signed 70 km/h you can for long stretches go up to 100 km/h with ease, no one I've met there has ever stuck to the speed limit), plus the landscape is way more beautiful, driving by lakes and streams surrounded with oak and beech forests you won't see from E22 Better still, the route is even shorter than E22

Coming south is a bit trickier to find the route, you have to exit at Tpl Karlskrona Öst, drive road 28 to the north until you see the sign "Lyckeåborg" and turn on to that road, from there it's signed towards Torsås.

The reason they don't want to promote this stretch is not just because of increasing the risk for accidents (it's at parts a veery straight road, many drivers could probably fall asleep) but also from what I've heard that since the road follows the stream Lyckeå, an accident where a car crashed into the water there would pollute the local water supply.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #1383
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E4 Sundsvall - Haparanda

I've been thinking of doing this for a while but never gotten around to it until now. What I wanted to make is a route description in terms of road standards, and also to cover future plans for this stretch. When looking in google maps, its impossible to see what standards this road have. Apart from the official motorway or "motortrafikled" classified stretches, one could get the impression that the rest is just regular 2-lane road, which is far from the truth.

So, let's start with the first part

All 2+1/2+2 have wire fence or other types of divider.

Green = Motorway
Light green = Motortrafikled
Yellow = Grade separated 2+1, essentially up to motortrafikled standard.
Orange = Grade separated 2+2, essentially up to motortrafikled/motorway standard
Blue = 2+1 with at grade intersections or mixed grade separated/at grade.
Dark Blue = 2+2 with at grade intersections or mixed grade separated/at grade.
Black = Regular 2-lane road
Red = Slow speed 2-lane road/city street with two our four lanes, traffic lights, roundabouts etc.



Part 1 Sundsvall - Umeå (268km)

1. Sundsvall - Timrå 15km motorway
2. Timrå - Midlanda Airport 6km motortrafikled (grade separated 2+1)
3. Midlanda Airport - Kittjärn (Härnösand) 25km 2+1 with mixed grade separated and at grate intersections.
4. Kittjärn - Härnösand 5km 2-lane highway/2+2 city street with traffic lights.
5. Härnösand - Lövvik 3km 2+1 one grade separated intersections.
6. Lövvik - Älandsbro 2km 2-lane road.
7. Through Älandsbro 1,5km village road/thoroughfare
8. Älandsbro - Överdal 3,5km 2-lane road.
9. Överdal - Gallsäter 31km grade separated 2+1, essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard. Over the High Coast Bridge, the road is 2+2.
10. Gallsäter - Ullånger 10km 2+1 all crossings at grade.
11. Ullånger - Docksta 12km 2-lane road.
12. Docksta - Örnsköldsvik 36km 2+1, two grade separated intersections.
13. Through Örnsköldsvik - 5km 2-lane road/2+2 City street. Roundabouts and traffic lights.
14. Örnsköldsvik - Arnäsvall 3,5km grade separated 2+2 essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard.
15. Arnäsvall - Stöcksjö 96km 2+1 with mixed grade separated and at grade intersections.
16. Stöcksjö - Söderslätt (Umeå) 4,5km 2+2 with motorway width, essentially up to motorway standard.
17. Söderslätt (Umeå) - Carlshem (Umeå) 3km 2+1 with roundabouts.
18. Carlshem (Umeå) - Ersboda (Umeå) Completed 2012-10-06 2+2 with roundabouts, one grade separated intersection.

Future plans

Probably before 2021

1. Ullånger - Docksta 12km, upgrade to 2+1 with barrier.

After 2021

1. Härnösand bypass (Kittjärn - Överdal)



A 2+1 western bypass with three grade separated intersections. Would shorten E4 with around 4-5km and also bypass Älandsbro.

2. Örnsköldsvik bypass/Åsbergstunneln



A bypass of motorway standard mostly in tunnel. Building was supposed to start 2015-2016 but was canceled. A new investigation will be made, though building will not start before 2021.



Next part will be Umeå - Piteå. Should be in a few days or so...

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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:28 AM   #1384
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Liked your graph!

A pity they couldn't make it all the way 2x2
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Old September 9th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #1385
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Traffic volumes are mostly between 4.000 and 8.000 vehicles per day north of Sundsvall (between cities).
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #1386
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Part 1 Sundsvall - Umeå (268km)

1. Sundsvall - Timrå 15km motorway
2. Timrå - Midlanda Airport 6km motortrafikled (grade separated 2+1)
3. Midlanda Airport - Kittjärn (Härnösand) 25km 2+1 with mixed grade separated and at grate intersections.
4. Kittjärn - Härnösand 5km 2-lane highway/2+2 city street with traffic lights.
5. Härnösand - Lövvik 3km 2+1 one grade separated intersections.
6. Lövvik - Älandsbro 2km 2-lane road.
7. Through Älandsbro 1,5km village road/thoroughfare
8. Älandsbro - Överdal 3,5km 2-lane road.
9. Överdal - Gallsäter 31km grade separated 2+1, essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard. Over the High Coast Bridge, the road is 2+2.
10. Gallsäter - Ullånger 10km 2+1 all crossings at grade.
11. Ullånger - Docksta 12km 2-lane road.
12. Docksta - Örnsköldsvik 36km 2+1, two grade separated intersections.
13. Through Örnsköldsvik - 5km 2-lane road/2+2 City street. Roundabouts and traffic lights.
14. Örnsköldsvik - Arnäsvall 3,5km grade separated 2+2 essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard.
15. Arnäsvall - Stöcksjö 96km 2+1 with mixed grade separated and at grade intersections.
16. Stöcksjö - Söderslätt (Umeå) 4,5km 2+2 with motorway width, essentially up to motorway standard.
17. Söderslätt (Umeå) - Carlshem (Umeå) 3km 2+1 with roundabouts.
18. Carlshem (Umeå) - Ersboda (Umeå) Completed 2012-10-06 2+2 with roundabouts, one grade separated intersection.
This is well in line with my observations about how the roads are upgraded in Sweden: In short stretches thus making the roads changing the type often.

To compare with the longest route in Finland, the south-north backbone 4/E75 Helsinki-Utsjoki, total length 1280 kilometres:

- Km 0-12, 12 km, streets in Helsinki
- Km 12-146, 134 km, motorway
- Km 146-260, 114 km, 1+1 road with overtaking lanes
- Km 260-262, 2 km, streets in Vaajakoski
- Km 262-268, 6 km, motorway
- Km 268-276, 8 km, 2+2 road
- Km 276-310, 34 km, 1+1 road
- Km 310-404, 94 km, 1+1 road with overtaking lanes
- Km 404-584, 180 km, 1+1 road
- Km 584-620, 36 km, motorway
- Km 620-692, 72 km, 1+1 road
- Km 692-722, 20 km, motorway
- Km 722-840, 118 km, 1+1 road
- Km 840-845, 5 km, 2+2 road
- Km 845-1280, 435 km, 1+1 road
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Old September 9th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #1387
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E4 Sundsvall - Haparanda

Part 2 Umeå - Piteå (207km)

Green = Motorway
Light green = Motortrafikled
Yellow = Grade separated 2+1, essentially up to motortrafikled standard.
Orange = Grade separated 2+2, essentially up to motortrafikled/motorway standard
Blue = 2+1 with at grade intersections or mixed grade separated/at grade.
Dark Blue = 2+2 with at grade intersections or mixed grade separated/at grade.
Black = Regular 2-lane road
Red = Slow speed 2-lane road/city street with two our four lanes, traffic lights, roundabouts etc.
Brown = Under construction



1. Ersboda (Umeå) - Djäkneboda 27km 2+1, two grade separated intersections.
2. Djäkneboda - Bygdeå 9km 2-lane road.
3. Bygdeå - Sikeå 12,5km 2+1 all intersections at grade.
4. Sikeå - Bureå 63km 2-lane road.
5. Bureå - Skellefteå 15km 2+1 grade separated essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard.
6. Through Skellefteå 5,5km 2/4 lane city street with roundabouts and traffic lights. one grade separated intersection.
7. Skellefteå - Byske 25km 2+2 grade separated essentially up to "motortrafikled" standard.
8. Byske - Kinnbäck 2+1 mostly grade separated.
9. Kinnbäck - Jävre 8,5km U/C upgrade to 2+1 with barrier. Building started August 2012.
10. Jävre - Piteå 23km 2+1 party grade separated.

Future Plans

Before 2021

As of now, none

After 2021

1. Djäkneboda - Bygdeå 9km upgrade to 2+1 with barrier.
2. Sikeå - Bureå 63km upgrade to 2+1 with barrier or "sparse 2+1", meaning partly 1+1/2+1 with barrier.
3. E4 Skellefteå



Alternative 1 - Existing route. Building of a few roundabouts and some ramps.
Alternative 2 - Existing route, sunken. Building of a few roundabouts and some ramps.
Alternative 3 - New route south of Skellefteå River, connecting to the existing road "Östra Leden" north of the river. 2+1 14m south of the river, 2+2 16,5m north of the river. Grade separated intersections and roundabouts.

Part 3 Piteå - Haparanda will come in a few days.

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Old September 9th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #1388
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This is well in line with my observations about how the roads are upgraded in Sweden: In short stretches thus making the roads changing the type often.
Well, maybe there's a rationale behind that. If a road changes often it's easier to keep the driver awake. Something to be much appreciated up in the north of the country, I guess
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Old September 18th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #1389
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Norra Länken, Stockholm

Interesting landscaping / themes of underground interchanges. It may be a little too distracting though.

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Old September 19th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #1390
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They already have some cool "lighttowers" / "lightarches" in the tunnels in Stockholm, it's quite fun to drive through.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #1391
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Looks like an Arab Emirate-style waste of money to me.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #1392
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It's not waste of money if it saves life. The purpose is to prevent drivers to fall asleep apart from beeing an art experience.
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Yeah right. If drivers are tired, they will fall asleep even with pretty lights in a tunnel for a few seconds.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 09:48 PM   #1394
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It's not waste of money if it saves life. The purpose is to prevent drivers to fall asleep apart from beeing an art experience.
Most motorways have "soundmarks" or what ever you call them, when passing the marks the vibrations make a noise and the tired driver revives.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #1396
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It's not waste of money if it saves life. The purpose is to prevent drivers to fall asleep apart from beeing an art experience.
I don't think the value of the potential deaths avoided will be higher than the cost of these precious pieces of art altogether.
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I don't know if that would really save lives. Other tunnels don't have it and none of the motorways at night have it.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #1398
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I don't know if that would really save lives. Other tunnels don't have it and none of the motorways at night have it.
Are those two sentences completely separate statements, or did you actually intend some logical connection between them?
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If you can fall asleep in a tunnel, you could also fall asleep on the open motorway at night. How big of a problem is this actually? It looks more like some luxurious landscaping than an essential addition to keep tunnels safe.
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If you can fall asleep in a tunnel, you could also fall asleep on the open motorway at night. How big of a problem is this actually? It looks more like some luxurious landscaping than an essential addition to keep tunnels safe.
Not luxurious necessarily. The decorations do not add much on top of the construction cost. In general, the cost of white light does not differ much from blue light, for instance.

Anyway, it is rather a common way to build something interesting to see along the roads in the Scandinavian countries. They can help keeping the driver alert, as least during the dark season.

In Finland, the roundabouts often show something related to the place they are located in:






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