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Old January 15th, 2013, 02:09 PM   #1541
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It as only a few years ago when the toll collecting operators received heavy criticism because of their inefficiency. The company responsible for the Nordkapp tunnel used 50% of the collected money to run their own operations. I guess the invoicing the foreign vehicles is really counter-productive: The cost of the process must be much higher than the amount of money collected.
I don't know the figures, but my guess is that they sell the debt to this UK collection company, and make a small amount from it.

In Oslo, cost for the tolling company is about 11% of amount collected.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 02:13 PM   #1542
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Also Malteses and Hungarians probably.
You hardly don't see any of those in Stockholm, especially not the maltese ones,

but the baltic ones must be an issue. I wouldn't like to pay for their tolls if my number reassembled theirs. I also have to call the authorities to make them cancel the registration of the toll. The have to come up with something to avoid this.

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Visualization for the future motorway on Riksväg 40 Dållebo - Hester which will open autumn 2015. It will include a 400m tunnel which I guess will become the longest rural motorway tunnel in Sweden.
I wonder what it would look like when they let the road 40 become motorway all the way to the E4 at Jönköping. It will result in a rather complicated connector. Having in mind that Jönköping looks like L.A already I hope they will make that connection at least 20km south of the city and not in the central part where the road 40 is connecting to the E4 now.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #1543
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Big crash on the E4 at Åstorp - 100 vehicles, three dead:

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Old January 15th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #1544
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Old January 15th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #1545
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Old January 15th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #1546
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Old January 15th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #1547
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It's been a very bad day all Sweden today, with the big pile-up on the E4 obviously the worst. It was also a mess on the E18 in Västmanland and something like 35 accidents reported in Stockholm during the morning rush hours.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:09 PM   #1548
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I wonder what it would look like when they let the road 40 become motorway all the way to the E4 at Jönköping. It will result in a rather complicated connector. Having in mind that Jönköping looks like L.A already I hope they will make that connection at least 20km south of the city and not in the central part where the road 40 is connecting to the E4 now.
Well, Rv40 and E4 are already connected by a cloverleaf interchange at Trafikplats Ljungarum, nothing complicated about it. And honestly, the E4 through Jönköping is a semi-urban 2x2-motorway with an AADT of what, 40 000? Not exactly Los Angeles... :-)


Exit here for Jönköping city center.


Approaching Trafikplats Ljungarum, the E4/Road 40 interchange.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #1549
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Well, Rv40 and E4 are already connected by a cloverleaf interchange at Trafikplats Ljungarum, nothing complicated about it. And honestly, the E4 through Jönköping is a semi-urban 2x2-motorway with an AADT of what, 40 000? Not exactly Los Angeles... :-)
BTW, what was the reason to build the Trafikplats Liungarum to such an incomplete 7/8 cloverleaf? It lacks the access from south to west, and the S-to-W traffic is routed through a roundabout north of the interchange.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #1550
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BTW, what was the reason to build the Trafikplats Liungarum to such an incomplete 7/8 cloverleaf? It lacks the access from south to west, and the S-to-W traffic is routed through a roundabout north of the interchange.
The cloverleaf was complete until five years ago, here it is in 2007:



I believe the reason for removing one of the ramps had to do with improved traffic flow on the southbound E4. This way, the exit ramp to continue on E4 could be made longer and there's no conflicting weaving traffic.

Obviously, a flyover ramp for the southbound E4 would have been much better, but this was deemed the most "cost-effective" alternative:
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Old January 16th, 2013, 09:03 AM   #1551
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http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6522...des_doods.html

Helicoptershot of the accident.. Amazing nobody is 'found' beside the bridge...
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #1552
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Complicated motorway-to-motorway route in Malmö.

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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #1553
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I believe the reason for removing one of the ramps had to do with improved traffic flow on the southbound E4. This way, the exit ramp to continue on E4 could be made longer and there's no conflicting weaving traffic.

Obviously, a flyover ramp for the southbound E4 would have been much better, but this was deemed the most "cost-effective" alternative:
The Vägvärket's document about that action does not tell anything about when the interchange was initially built. Any data about that? It looks somewhat old-fashioned. The cloverleaf most probably would not be the choice if that interchange were built today.

As the interchange is the the only (?) TOTSO between Helsingborg-Kropp and Stockholm, and the main traffic flow runs on E4, a 2-lane flyover instead of the current loop ramp would have been a more logical choice. I am rather sure it will be built in the future.

Somewhat a similar case of "money saving" is the interchange between the motorway 1 and the Ring 1 of Helsinki: https://maps.google.fi/?ll=60.209037...02105&t=m&z=16

Initially, the N-S road was a 1+1 rural one, and the interchange was a mixed parclo-diamond. As the traffic grew, the Ring 1 was built to 2+2, with traffic lights at the ramps. Then a loop ramp was built for the W-N traffic to remove the south traffic lights. That was a disaster because the recommended speed of 30 km/h, and a very short weaving section at both ends. Finally, the interchange got its current shape. For every step, there was a huge construction site, and the total cost is astronomical.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #1554
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The Vägvärket's document about that action does not tell anything about when the interchange was initially built. Any data about that? It looks somewhat old-fashioned. The cloverleaf most probably would not be the choice if that interchange were built today.
No. My guess is 1967-68 when the motorway through Jönköping was built, and judging from the design it could be accurate.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #1555
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The last missing link on the E6 between Malmö and Oslo will be built to motorway standard starting this spring.

Source: Svenska Dagbladet

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Old February 6th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #1556
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There was an article in one of the local papers about Swedens (the worlds?) first divided 2+1 road, which is a part of the E4 just north of Gävle. So I thought I should post it here!
It´s in Swedish though, but still.

http://gd.se/nyheter/gavle/1.5547346...for-sakerheten

Just some of high lights:

The ~35 km stretch of E4 north of Gävle (up to Axmartavlan north of the small town of Bergby) was opened in -87 but had been planed since way earlier... (as usually in Sweden...) probably already since back in the 1960´s...

It had also been planed as a motorway. But due to lack of funds Vägverket built it as a two-lane expressway instead (13 m).
Because of that it had been planed as a motorway there fore the alignment and how the road runs through the landscape with looong sweeping curves and so on, wasn´t exactly optimal for overtaking...
And this road had/have got quite a lot of heavy fright traffic and in the summer a lot of caravans and RV´s. This resulted in lots of head on collisions in 110-130 km/h - speeds, when people where frustrated and overtaking when they shouldn´t...


There fore this stretch of road was one of the (if not THE) most dangerous road in Sweden during the late 80´s to the late 90´s.

Nicknamed: "Dödensväg" / "Deaths road"

So already in the mid 90´s Vägverket was starting to think of what to do with the road... Either they could build a second carriageway right next to the existing one (as they did quite a bit back in the 90´s, when "alot" of Swedish expressways was converted into real motorways). But then again the funding was the problem... So instead they started to think in new ways if something else could be done to prevent the fatal head-on collisions - and that´s how we got the first divided 2+1 road!

The facts/numbers:

-----------------Without guardrail------ With dividing guardrail
-----------------1987 - 1997----------- 2003 - 2012

Accidents:--------323------------------- 97
Deaths:-----------21-------------------- 2
Severely injured:--60-------------------- 16

Worth taking into consideration also: The traffic volume on the road have ofc increased quite a lot in this time...

Just a fun fact: When this road was opened the last level railroad crossing on the E4 in Sweden was history! It was located in Hamrångefjärden just south of Bergby along the old E4.



Also just another funny thing I actually learned from the article is that E16 the Gävle-Valbo part has got the lowest average speed for any 110-km/h motorway in Sweden! :O The average speed there apparently is: 104km/h.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #1557
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Well, Rv40 and E4 are already connected by a cloverleaf interchange at Trafikplats Ljungarum, nothing complicated about it. And honestly, the E4 through Jönköping is a semi-urban 2x2-motorway with an AADT of what, 40 000? Not exactly Los Angeles... :-)
The issue with this motorway is that it runs right through Jönköping and cuts off the outer districts from the inner city.


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The last missing link on the E6 between Malmö and Oslo will be built to motorway standard starting this spring.
One of few e-routes through Sweden where the construction of motorways has been delayed in my opinion.

I remember driving E6 in 2001 at Munkedal before the motorway was built and the traffic flow was exceeding the capacity of that road, especially in summer when the traffic to Norway increased.

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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #1558
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Speaking of Jönköping - why is the route between Stockholm and Gothenburg signposted via Örebro and not Jönköping? All I can see is that the latter would be both shorter and faster (with more motorway).

Is this (or has this been), perhaps, a political issue in Örebro or somewhere?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #1559
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Göteborg is the control city of E20. No political issue what so ever.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 11:24 PM   #1560
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E20 has a whack route in Sweden anyway. Nobody would use it to get from København to Stockholm
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