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Old October 23rd, 2013, 11:56 PM   #1801
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I agree for remote roads, but for main transit axis like E4 to Stockholm or E6 to Norwegian border (and some other important routes with significant traffic) maintenance should have better priority.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #1802
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I agree for remote roads, but for main transit axis like E4 to Stockholm or E6 to Norwegian border (and some other important routes with significant traffic) maintenance should have better priority.
I do not know anything about the frequency of road cleanup on any of the main roads, but it differs. Every swedish province/region has its own department of the national road agency, and they are free to choose which company to hire according to their budget. This means that some roads are cleaned often and some roads not so often.

I agree with you that road markings in Sweden are generally not good, they are often worn down from snow clearing and are not replaced until late in the following summer. Also, pavement quality on some stretches, mainly the E4 in northern Skåne and Södermanland is pretty bad by all standards. The E6 however has excellent pavement and road markings in my opinion.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #1803
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Overall Sweden motorways are not bad but maintenance appears to be not their strong point as it is not road visibility in the night as side markers and white lanes are barely reflective. Maybe you are used to that but for me it was pretty annoying.
Really? I find them to be better reflectors than in Belgium, Germany, France, Norway. Yet not as good as Iceland, Italy, Denmark, Spain...
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Old October 24th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1804
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I agree for remote roads, but for main transit axis like E4 to Stockholm or E6 to Norwegian border (and some other important routes with significant traffic) maintenance should have better priority.
Yes I agree about STHLM, they don't know how to build and maintain there roads well, now it's even worst, no shoulder on 3x3 even 4x4 lanes, insane short ramps that scares ppl from driving in the first lane because it's dangerous, so the point of adding a lane is almost lost.
And projects take forever, remember the E4 3rd lane project around Solna/Sollentuna taking many, many years to complete.



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I do not know anything about the frequency of road cleanup on any of the main roads, but it differs. Every swedish province/region has its own department of the national road agency, and they are free to choose which company to hire according to their budget. This means that some roads are cleaned often and some roads not so often.

I agree with you that road markings in Sweden are generally not good, they are often worn down from snow clearing and are not replaced until late in the following summer. Also, pavement quality on some stretches, mainly the E4 in northern Skåne and Södermanland is pretty bad by all standards. The E6 however has excellent pavement and road markings in my opinion.
There is almost nothing left of the bad concrete surface section east of HLB now, it has improved a lot.

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Old October 24th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #1805
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I agree with you that road markings in Sweden are generally not good, they are often worn down from snow clearing and are not replaced until late in the following summer.
It is rather natural that the road markings get worn-out during the winter, and they lose their reflectivity. As there are not good options to make the world better in this case, better to not base driving on them.

I think there are reflective poles as roadside markers on all main roads in Sweden. They are visible even when the road markings are hidden under show or ice.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #1806
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New vid from Trafikverket, updated version of vid posted not that long ago. I can't really tell what has been changed in it tho.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #1807
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Yes I agree about STHLM, they don't know how to build and maintain there roads well, now it's even worst, no shoulder on 3x3 even 4x4 lanes, insane short ramps that scares ppl from driving in the first lane because it's dangerous, so the point of adding a lane is almost lost. And projects take forever, remember the E4 3rd lane project around Solna/Sollentuna taking many, many years to complete. There is almost nothing left of the bad concrete surface section east of HLB now, it has improved a lot.
The motorways around HBG are great and the city has excellent road infrastructure, especially now when the österleden expressway is complete. My main concern is when you drive eastbound on the E4 after Hyllinge the pavement is terrible and there are even potholes which is unacceptable.

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It is rather natural that the road markings get worn-out during the winter, and they lose their reflectivity. As there are not good options to make the world better in this case, better to not base driving on them. I think there are reflective poles as roadside markers on all main roads in Sweden. They are visible even when the road markings are hidden under show or ice.
My point is that the worn markings are not replaced until late in the summer or even autumn. They should be fixed as soon as the snow clears. If they put less money on mowing grass in the soft shoulders/median and more on cleaning and road markings, I would be satisfied.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #1808
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My point is that the worn markings are not replaced until late in the summer or even autumn. They should be fixed as soon as the snow clears. If they put less money on mowing grass in the soft shoulders/median and more on cleaning and road markings, I would be satisfied.
I do not see that a bad policy in the north. The road markings create the biggest value during the autumn when it gets dark and wet. They should be in the best condition during that time. During the summertime, a worse condition is acceptable because the days are long.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:09 AM   #1809
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The motorways around HBG are great and the city has excellent road infrastructure, especially now when the österleden expressway is complete. My main concern is when you drive eastbound on the E4 after Hyllinge the pavement is terrible and there are even potholes which is unacceptable.
I know, that section has been bad for 10 years, it's the 50s concrete that's messing up, but the longest section of crappy E4 is improved since 2013, there is still a smaller section left last time I drove.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #1810
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A tip to those looking into photos as well as the age of bridges, tunnels and so forth:

Trafikverket, the Road Agency, has a site for all bridges and tunnels in Sweden with photographs from different angles, age of the construction, numbering and so on. It doesn't work in Firefox though (at least not in mine):

https://batman.vv.se/

<- Click in the "i"-button to the left and zoom in to area of interest. Just make sure you've zoomed in to 1000 m, otherwise it won't be any markings on the screen. The site is in Swedish only.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:35 AM   #1811
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Länsväg 111, Trafikplats Ättekulla to Trafikplats Brohult/E4

This report will feature a 2x2 expressway called "Österleden", located in Helsingborg municipality in Skåne, Sweden. It runs parallel to the E6 and connects the northern and southern E4 stubs.

The road was built between 2009-2013 in several phases. It's 7 km long and features 5 interchanges. I don't think this road has been mentioned before in this thread.





































The road crosses the E4 at an overpass roundabout which was being resurfaced, hence the queues.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 12:12 PM   #1812
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Länsväg 111, Trafikplats Ättekulla to Trafikplats Brohult/E4

This report will feature a 2x2 expressway called "Österleden", located in Helsingborg municipality in Skåne, Sweden. It runs parallel to the E6 and connects the northern and southern E4 stubs.

The road was built between 2009-2013 in several phases. It's 7 km long and features 5 interchanges. I don't think this road has been mentioned before in this thread.

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That's a nice looking road, almost the same feel as the Östralänken in Linköping.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #1813
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It also looks very much the new road in Motala.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #1814
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Note to all road designers: when you design something like that, please read up on the plants you are using. Usually the root system of the tree requires at least 1.5-2 times the diameter of the crown and often more than that. The area under the asphalt is useless for the tree, and both the planting process and maintenance process are very expensive.

How great it would be if all civil engineers where required to take a course in landscape design and horticulture and were attuned to the opinions of the people who are going to take care of the trees they plot out on the computer.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #1815
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I think such additions are designed by landscape architects.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #1816
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I think such additions are designed by landscape architects.
I can tell a lot is made from people with no knowledge of plants, particularly in Sweden (just look at all the recent plantations in Stockholm Arlanda or the Globe area). In the US maybe, but on the other hand in US I know the civil engineers are not required to do horticulture classes either. Many times the architects do not ask for opinions of horticulturists when they plot their designs and there often is not a plant specialist anywhere in the design process.

Recently, at my college the landscape architect put three $ 15000 Royal palm trees too close to a building and more than ten Foxtails too close to each other (so they will kill eachother). Better yet, they did it without asking any horticulturist whatsoever AND there is a horticulture faculty on the premise of the college. They could have shown anyone at that building what they were planning to do and they would have gotten an intelligent response, but noooo.

It is really not that difficult, just add an extra circle with a x2 radius in your AutoCAD or whatever and make sure there is root space with no traffic on top. If you can learn to make a highway you can learn to do that.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #1817
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Trafikverket recently finished putting up 90 km of guardrail on the E4 between Jönköping and Ljungby. The median on this stretch is wide (ca. 15 meters).




Also, heavy weather is hitting the Swedish west coast. This is from the E6 outside Landskrona.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #1818
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Last weekend I took some pictures of the E45 from Göteborg to Trollhättan. Unfortunately the pictures are not so good because of the weather.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1051008...7637294288615/

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Video of the u/c motorway on the E22 between Rolsberga and Fogdarp (Link to map):

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E22 Sölve-Stensnäs, new photos: http://www.trafikverket.se/Privat/Pr...olve-Stensnas/
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