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Old May 23rd, 2014, 11:26 AM   #1941
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But unfortunately, there's been a massive expansion of big box stores at both the northern and southern end of the bypass. All that external shopping is already killing local businesses in the center of town.
That began already in the 1970's. Shopping centres at the outskirts of the big cities. In Linköping there is Tornby, which started out with the IKEA in 1977, today it's an extensive shopping district located right next to the E4.




Now this relocation of shopping also has spread to the smaller cities with populations of 20.000 inhabitants. Like Bråstorp in Motala for instance which began to grow in the late 1990's.

The reason to this is new bypasses and the increase of pedestrian zones in the inner cities making it difficult to find parking.

I dont think that the shopping centres in the outskirts are ruining the local businesses in the center of towns. In the city centre you will still find restaurants, banks, watch stores, opticians, kiosks, travel agencies. Most inner city supermarkets, tv- and hardware stores are gone. This is because its convenient to have a vehicle close by to carry home these heavier goods.

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Old May 23rd, 2014, 11:59 PM   #1942
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I'm speaking specifically about Norrtälje. I went to high school there, and as recently as 2-3 years ago there was hardly any external shopping in town. Norrtälje was something as unusual as a town of 15,000 with a real central (and quite picturesque) town center with a healthy variety of shops and businesses. But in just a few years big box stores have opened up at both ends of the bypass and now businesses in the central part of town are closing.

And yeah, I agree that it's an issue of zoning. The road itself didn't create the external shopping areas. But obviously local politicians saw an opportunity to entice big chains to establish themselves in Norrtälje in conjunction with the bypass.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 02:45 PM   #1943
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This is what the new road looks like btw, set to some nice soft porn music


http://norrteljetidning.se/2.29209/1...a-vastra-vagen
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1944
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Will there be a motorway someday to Norrtälje/are they planning?
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Old May 29th, 2014, 12:14 AM   #1945
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Will there be a motorway someday to Norrtälje/are they planning?
Probably not. The current road is motorway most of the stretch except for 18 km which is 2+1 and grade separated. There are also plans to build a 2+1 from Norrtälje to Kapellskär and the ferries.

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Old May 29th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #1946
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Sweden is quiet a big/long country. Malmö to Stockholm is about 600 Km and it is not even half way up to the border!
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Old May 30th, 2014, 06:01 AM   #1947
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Sweden is quiet a big/long country. Malmö to Stockholm is about 600 Km and it is not even half way up to the border!
2.000+ km from south to north or vice versa.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 08:35 AM   #1948
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2.000+ km from south to north or vice versa.
1 961 km From Trelleborg to Karesuando 19 h 6 min

1 942 km From Malmö to Rome 18 h 28 min

The thing is that most swedish people rarely drive to the remote northern parts of the country. I have been driving in Sweden since 1988 but never drove north of Gävle.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:28 AM   #1949
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I want to drive E4 north and E45 south one day. Perhaps next year, when Norra länken and E4 Sundsvall are completed
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:21 AM   #1950
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One time in summer I was on my way from London to Salo in southern Finland. I used to go there a lot and always take the ferry from Stockholm to Helsinki (16 hour crossing - enough time for food, booze and sex and get some sleep after)
Ferry always leaves at 17:00 and one time due to bad traffic in basically all the countries I went through apart from France (Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark and Sweden I had to endure congestion a number of times) I missed the ferry. Phoned up for alternatives, but everything fully booked. I had no choice but to drive all the way round the Gulf of Bothnia. I was tired, and was looking forward to that ferry. Instead I ended up driving the 2000 km extra, throughout the night with my sunglasses on.

The first time I traveled throughout northern Sweden is when going to Mo-i-Rana in northern Norway. Made me realise that Sweden doesn't stop at Stockholm after all. I normally never go past Stockholm.

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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:37 AM   #1951
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I want to drive E4 north and E45 south one day. Perhaps next year, when Norra länken and E4 Sundsvall are completed
The only part finished on Norra länken will be the part east of Norrtul, which would require you to deviate slightly from the E4. The tunnels west of Norrtull which are being covered for the construction of Hagastaden won't be completely done until 2019. But I'm guessing it's worth the 10 km detour if you plan on driving to the extreme north of Sweden.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:54 AM   #1952
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Interessant choice. Why not E6 instead of E45, seems like a more aubvious road for tourism.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:56 AM   #1953
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I'm planning to drive E6 this year. So far I've only driven in Skåne and Halland.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #1954
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The car is the most common mean of transport in Sweden, regardless of
matter, and is used in almost 60% of all trips.

It's only for really long trips, over 600 km each way, as flying is selected at approximately the same extent as the car.
The train is mostly used for journeys longer than 400 km, while the bus is mostly used when traveling to
200-400 km.

Conclusion: Most people in Sweden consider cars to be useful on distances shorter than 400 km.

For the USA: Personal vehicles are used for almost all trips less than 482.80km.

Overall, air starts to dominate for trips more than 1207km which is far longer than the average swedish motorist is willing to drive.

But people in poorer households will drive further..

http://www.travelbehavior.us/Nancy--...%20-%20PPT.pdf
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #1955
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Overall, air starts to dominate for trips more than 1207km which is far longer than the average swedish motorist is willing to drive.
Probably due to the price of petrol. While we pay 14,50 kr/liter they pay maybe 6-7 kr/liter...
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1956
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One time in summer I was on my way from London to Salo in southern Finland. I used to go there a lot and always take the ferry from Stockholm to Helsinki (16 hour crossing - enough time for food, booze and sex and get some sleep after)
Ferry always leaves at 17:00 and one time due to bad traffic in basically all the countries I went through apart from France (Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark and Sweden I had to endure congestion a number of times) I missed the ferry. Phoned up for alternatives, but everything fully booked. I had no choice but to drive all the way round the Gulf of Bothnia. I was tired, and was looking forward to that ferry. Instead I ended up driving the 2000 km extra, throughout the night with my sunglasses on.

The first time I traveled throughout northern Sweden is when going to Mo-i-Rana in northern Norway. Made me realise that Sweden doesn't stop at Stockholm after all. I normally never go past Stockholm.
I believed you went sometimes on Lulea or Umea to deliver automotive factories.
I met two van drivers from Northern France who went there.
Maybe they continue.
Certainly a long and tiring road but surely an original one. Probably for me.
Never been north of Sheffield and Groningen by road !
More elks than humans there.
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One time in summer I was on my way from London to Salo in southern Finland. I used to go there a lot and always take the ferry from Stockholm to Helsinki (16 hour crossing - enough time for food, booze and sex and get some sleep after)
Ferry always leaves at 17:00 and one time due to bad traffic in basically all the countries I went through apart from France (Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark and Sweden I had to endure congestion a number of times) I missed the ferry. Phoned up for alternatives, but everything fully booked. I had no choice but to drive all the way round the Gulf of Bothnia. I was tired, and was looking forward to that ferry. Instead I ended up driving the 2000 km extra, throughout the night with my sunglasses on.

The first time I traveled throughout northern Sweden is when going to Mo-i-Rana in northern Norway. Made me realise that Sweden doesn't stop at Stockholm after all. I normally never go past Stockholm.
I believed you went sometimes on Lulea or Umea to deliver automotive factories.
I met two van drivers from Northern France who went there.
Maybe they continue.
Certainly a long and tiring road but surely an original one. Probably for me.
Never been north of Sheffield and Groningen by road !
More elks than humans there.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #1958
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Always take E4 over E45.
45 is empty as F, and yes reindeer + moose is what you need to watch out for on that road, it's 100km/h on most of it and big-rigs is 50% of traffic.

45 is busy as always.


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That's what I like. There are no such roads in the Netherlands. We have traffic everywhere.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #1960
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You say that now but there is also tons of mosquito's, the road is so boring you will fall asleep and the sun never go's down in the summer( I couldn't sleep good at all).
To be honest I was a danger to myself driving monotonous roads while really tired ...never again!
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