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Old January 23rd, 2008, 11:52 PM   #201
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If he was strictly referring to the mall then I should have read it closer. Still that doesn't mean that he (or many people including myself) think malls are overly commercial, tacky, spiritless, and are generally lifeless no matter if they are next to a waste dump in Lincoln, Nebraska or near a shrine in Mecca.

As far as caring what one thinks the partial conclusion that I have come to is that for the people it is supposed to matter to most want to forgo a sense of taste, proportion, and physical historical integrity then that is up to them. However that also doesn't make an outsiders opinion necessarily wrong if they feel different and it certain doesn't mean that an outsider should think of it wise or aesthetically pleasing (because frankly its pretty ugly).

I wouldn't call a handful of people who approve of the structure a wide spread base of support especially considering this is a skyscraper forum and its a place for some here who have a religous and sentimental investment in the place.

If under a hypothetical the city was controlled by some Jews, Hindus, or Buddhist, I just wonder if some would be so eager to give their approval and wouldn't see the hideousness and disregard for the urban/spirtual environment in which it's built. Put that up against the present scenario where one has to fathom that fellow Muslims are the one's willingly desecrating one's own cultural institutions. Is it more just a blind faith and belief that fellow Muslim (leaders at that) wouldn't desecrate or alter the most important city for the worse? I have a hard time not wondering if there isn't at least a bit of that element at play here. That or supporters generally have wretched taste for architecture and urban planning.

Its just a real easy question, is this being done in the most sensitive and deferential way that it deserves. I don't see how anyone on aesthetical grounds could say it yes.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by nomarandlee View Post
I really fail to see the comparison, what does a mall in some forgettable nondescript place have to do with putting a gigantic tacky hotel hundreds of meters from one's supposedly holiest epicenter? People wouldn't care if you put a mall in many places because there is no atmosphere or important historical structure that could be compromised.

It would somewhat more analogous if a develperor tried to build something like only hundreads of meters from Niagra Falls, Mt.Rushmore, St.Peters, or the Wailing Wall.
I agree entirely! (although not with your spelling!)

(having just been led here from the Abraj Al Bait (Mecca Hotel) thread.
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