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Old September 3rd, 2010, 05:46 PM   #241
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I couldn't work out what they were talking about. but there was plenty of images of the new rolling stock, which looked beautiful.
The new trains, now 2 years late, do not qualify for the standards for brakes among others, so authorities denied the request for a license, while the contract with Alstom was not canceled yet - so it is a scandal.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 08:54 PM   #242
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The trains, apart from the appearance, are worse quality than the old soviet trains IMHO.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 07:40 AM   #243
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Your Tracks and Trams look horrible , why are they in such bad shape?
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Old September 5th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #244
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Your Tracks and Trams look horrible , why are they in such bad shape?
are you basing that on the video above? that is one of the worst lines

we have a network ~130 kms and in the last ~15 years we have been constantly rebuilding them, so about 70 kms are in very good condition, especially the ones near the center

as for the trams, yes, half the fleet is [email protected], the rest is fine, including the 40 combinos

matter of fact, the tram network has probably received an improportionate amount of funding in the last decade, compared to the buses, trolley buses and suburban railroads (subways received probably even more, given that we completely rebuilt subway 2 and built the tube for subway 4)

all in all, tramways in budapest are fine, especially if your realize that ~ 20 kms are bound to be closed or supplemented by future subway lines

on the other hand, there are gaps in the network that should be built, ~ 10 kms
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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #245
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we have a network ~130 kms and in the last ~15 years we have been constantly rebuilding them, so about 70 kms are in very good condition, especially the ones near the center
there is a speed limit (due to track quality) on a substantial part of the network.

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matter of fact, the tram network has probably received an improportionate amount of funding in the last decade, compared to the buses, trolley buses and suburban railroads (subways received probably even more, given that we completely rebuilt subway 2 and built the tube for subway 4)
buses received no significant funding either: average age is 17, with hundreds of buses around 23 years of age. Thousands of buses need replacement.

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~ 20 kms are bound to be closed or supplemented by future subway lines
hopefully (and according to current plans) not at all.

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on the other hand, there are gaps in the network that should be built, ~ 10 kms
true, there are projects which would yield a high benefit, e.g. only a two-stop stretch to connect lines 17 to 19/41, which is currently sabotaged by one of the districts involved.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:57 PM   #246
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Things are shaping up very nicely for Budapest. When are M4 and M5 due to open?
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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #247
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there is a speed limit (due to track quality) on a substantial part of the network.
based on? and whats substantial?

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buses received no significant funding either: average age is 17, with hundreds of buses around 23 years of age. Thousands of buses need replacement.
i said so, tramways got a lot of funding, probably the most compared to others


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hopefully (and according to current plans) not at all.
i dont know what constitutes a current plan in a political climate we have, but i can tell you that the line on Fehervari ut connecting Moricz Zsigmond ter with Budafok should be stripped and Subway 4 should split all the way to Budafok railway station; allowing for a complete rebuild of Fehervari ut

also, the outer section of Ulloi ut should be rebuilt with Subway 3 going underneath it all the way to Ferihegy airport, replacing the tramway
Subway 3 should also be expanded toward the north from Ujpest to Rakospalota-Ujpest station and from there it should take the place (quite literally) of tramway nr 14

the Pesterzsebet single-track tramway should also be closed down since it is completely unecessary and a bus line could easily replace it

there are some more minor examples
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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:21 PM   #248
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Things are shaping up very nicely for Budapest. When are M4 and M5 due to open?
M4 in about 2 years, probably more, M5 in a trillion years, probably more.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #249
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Old September 8th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #250
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There are projects which would yield a high benefit, e.g. only a two-stop stretch to connect lines 17 to 19/41, which is currently sabotaged by one of the districts involved.
If Metro 5 ever happends, wouln't the existing HÉV line from Batthyány tér be a good extention to tram line 19/41? Perpahs even up to the point where metro 5 is planned to diverge from the current HÉV route? That could also replace the southern part of tram line 17.


Also, I have two questions:

1) Why isn't travel on MÁV trains included in the 1/3/7 day BKV tickets, but included on tickets for longer periods?

2) Why isn't there a good interchange betweeen Metro 1 and tram line 1? (Or is there one that I missed)?
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Old September 15th, 2010, 11:21 PM   #251
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Why isn't there a good interchange betweeen Metro 1 and tram line 1? (Or is there one that I missed)?
Well you are right, there is a "bad interchange", you can walk in 5 minutes from Mexikói út (M1) to Kacsóh Pongrác út (T1) through a dirty and dark tunnel.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 02:38 PM   #252
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Eventually life is going to get back to normal...

Surface works around the future Tétényi road station...















Elevator shaft...







Even the surroundings of the old market are being refurbished...





I wonder when will the demolishment of this piece of crap start?
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Old September 16th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #253
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Office & Control tower again...







Tracks (coming out of the tunnels) already laid...



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Old September 16th, 2010, 04:12 PM   #254
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Bocskai road station...

Elevator shaft?





Blocking the way of a potential extension of tram line 4...



From the underpass...



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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:12 AM   #255
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A question guys? Is Budapest tram system still using unidirectional operation (with unidirectional trams)? How much of the system is unidirectional? What about the tram fleet (I know Combinos are bidirectional)? Is there a track plan on the internet of the system? Not too many questions I hope! Thanks.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 08:07 PM   #256
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The system isnt unidirectional, then the trams would travel only one way, and never come back Most of our trams are unidirectional, thats why they ususally are in groups of 2.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #257
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Only the Tatra T5C5 trams are "unidirectional" from BKV's fleet, though they've never run in solo mode.

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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #258
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The system isnt unidirectional, then the trams would travel only one way, and never come back Most of our trams are unidirectional, thats why they ususally are in groups of 2.
You clown LOL!

What I mean is whether the system is like e.g. Prague with loops, or do lines have stub terminals where the trams reverse? And are there any lines that are loops themselves, that is go around in a "circle"?

(I can see that the T5C5s are coupled back to back - so unidirectional trams on a bidirectional system? Is that place in that video actually a loop for turning around the tram and if so why are the trams coupled back to back when they can actually reverse and don't have to use a loop?)
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Old September 26th, 2010, 10:39 AM   #259
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You clown LOL!

What I mean is whether the system is like e.g. Prague with loops, or do lines have stub terminals where the trams reverse? And are there any lines that are loops themselves, that is go around in a "circle"?

(I can see that the T5C5s are coupled back to back - so unidirectional trams on a bidirectional system? Is that place in that video actually a loop for turning around the tram and if so why are the trams coupled back to back when they can actually reverse and don't have to use a loop?)
It used to be unidirectional but after the metro constructions and bus lobby hundreds of kilometres tram lines were ceased or cut back. Nowadays there are 40 head terminals:


...and 6 loop ones. So it is bidirectional.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:39 AM   #260
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Only the Tatra T5C5 trams are "unidirectional" from BKV's fleet, though they've never run in solo mode.
http://villamosok.hu/balazs/jall/index.html

Ganz "ICS" 118
KCSV7 30
TW6000 76
Combino 40
T5C5 240
T5C5K 80

320 unidirectional vs 254 bidirectional = most of our trams are unidirectional. Though I agree if we look at the number of actual sets , bidirectionals are much more common
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