BUDAPEST | Public Transport

[Fron]

Only the Tatra T5C5 trams are "unidirectional" from BKV's fleet, though they've never run in solo mode.

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by RawLee

The system isnt unidirectional, then the trams would travel only one way, and never come back Most of our trams are unidirectional, thats why they ususally are in groups of 2.

You clown LOL!

What I mean is whether the system is like e.g. Prague with loops, or do lines have stub terminals where the trams reverse? And are there any lines that are loops themselves, that is go around in a "circle"?

(I can see that the T5C5s are coupled back to back - so unidirectional trams on a bidirectional system? Is that place in that video actually a loop for turning around the tram and if so why are the trams coupled back to back when they can actually reverse and don't have to use a loop?)

[Fron]

Originally Posted by historyworks

You clown LOL!

What I mean is whether the system is like e.g. Prague with loops, or do lines have stub terminals where the trams reverse? And are there any lines that are loops themselves, that is go around in a "circle"?

(I can see that the T5C5s are coupled back to back - so unidirectional trams on a bidirectional system? Is that place in that video actually a loop for turning around the tram and if so why are the trams coupled back to back when they can actually reverse and don't have to use a loop?)

It used to be unidirectional but after the metro constructions and bus lobby hundreds of kilometres tram lines were ceased or cut back. Nowadays there are 40 head terminals:


...and 6 loop ones. So it is bidirectional.

[RawLee]

Originally Posted by Fron

Only the Tatra T5C5 trams are "unidirectional" from BKV's fleet, though they've never run in solo mode.

http://villamosok.hu/balazs/jall/index.html

Ganz "ICS" 118
KCSV7 30
TW6000 76
Combino 40
T5C5 240
T5C5K 80

320 unidirectional vs 254 bidirectional = most of our trams are unidirectional. Though I agree if we look at the number of actual sets , bidirectionals are much more common

[historyworks]

Thanks guys. That leads me to another question. Budapest tram patronage is one of the highest in the world (364 million p.a. - figure from Hungarian forum). How do you do that with only 574 trams and using stub terminals which take longer to reverse trams than loops?

(OK I know Hungarians are clever but I am looking for a factual answer! )

[RawLee]

Originally Posted by historyworks

Thanks guys. That leads me to another question. Budapest tram patronage is one of the highest in the world (364 million p.a. - figure from Hungarian forum). How do you do that with only 574 trams and using stub terminals which take longer to reverse trams than loops?

(OK I know Hungarians are clever but I am looking for a factual answer! )

Thats 1 million daily. Now, line 4-6 transports 200000, line 1 also about that much. So there are a few lines that bear most of the load.

They dont take long to reverse. The switches are ususally before the platforms, so the trams change track first, and then stop.

Re tram numbers...the Combino is like 4x the size of a T5C5, ICS is like 2x a T5C5. There are no short trams here, everything is at least the size of 2x T5C5.

[historyworks]

Thx RawLee

I have had complimentary comments from an Australian visitor on how well all the public transport works in Budapest in spite of rather worn looking infrastructure and vehicles.

[RawLee]

Here's a pic to make it easier to imagine:


(hampage.hu)


(harixis.uw.hu)

The trams always enter the free slot.

[historyworks]

Yes I can understand. What puzzles me is how they can layover more than two spare trams at the terminus (like they do in Prague for example) so they don't block other trams and it is possible for drivers to have a layover break. With a stub terminus the tram has to leave immediately (if high frequency) otherwise it will block other trams and there is no rest break for the driver.

I think better if I come over to Budapest and have a look eh? I missed my opportunity last year, I'll try harder next time.

[RawLee]

Simple. There are no spare trams. I suppose its the drivers that change, not the trams. Spare trams return to the depot AFAIK.

[gramercy]

at a terminus, "incoming" trams would only occupy the incoming path and they would be parked there, before the switches

the outgoing direction is always free

[(fabrizio)]

Originally Posted by spag85

The new trains, now 2 years late, do not qualify for the standards for brakes among others, so authorities denied the request for a license, while the contract with Alstom was not canceled yet - so it is a scandal.

Just seen your reply, thanks for translating!

Originally Posted by Qtya

Office & Control tower again...

It's a pity that they're mounting the brise-soleils on the outside rather than on the inside (i.e. in the space between the two glass walls as it often happens with modern buildings). I fear that snow and rain will cover them in rust pretty quickly.

[moldovia]

Here is some HD (1080p) footage of trams and the metro that took a few months ago while in Budapest -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moldovi...7624945140324/

[Qtya]

Thanx for sharing them!

The metro4 depot today...



Full sun protection... Looks like some kind of an armor...

[Nyuszi]

New video about the project!

Partly in English, but sadly mainly in Hungarian.

[RKC]

Christmas tram in Budapest:





interior

article: few more pics
http://www.iho.hu/index.php?option=c...neken&Itemid=9

[Nyuszi]

If someone is interested the official 2010th year summary of the metro4 development can be downloaded in English from the mert4.hu site.

http://www.metro4.hu/hirek_reszletes.php?id=723

[Fron]

Metro 4 stations in dec 2010:

Originally Posted by Fron

2010 decemberi képek...

Bocskai út:



Etele tér:



Fővám tér:



Gellért tér:



Kálvin tér:



Keleti pályaudvar:



Népszínház utca:



Móricz Zsigmond körtér:



Rákóczi tér



Tétényi út


http://www.metro4.hu/galeria_popup.p...galeria/images

[K2S]

Hi! Why arent here more info about others metro lines? Its shame, because I think, that Budapest have interesting metro system. And for me is most interesting station Deak Ferenc Tér - The one and only exchange station (for now) for three lines.
Can somebody post photo and info about this station? (Also look at the entrance from square)
Thank you!

[kiskaloz]

All about "metrosystem of Budapest":

http://www.metros.hu

underpasses



Service track M2-M3 (white line)