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Old June 30th, 2014, 03:10 PM   #601
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Extension works of tram line 1







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Old July 4th, 2014, 11:15 AM   #602
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Old July 5th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #603
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Interesting!

Has any decisions been made on which project shoud go ahead first e.t.c.?

I like the interchange between M1 and tram 1.

What will happen with the tram tracks to Mexicoi út?

Would line 60 on tram tracks require new trains? I of course understand that some extra trains would be required to run a longer line, but would the existing trains be able to run on "tram voltage"?

Will the M1 extension use the track bed of todays tram line 14?
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Old July 5th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #604
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Interesting!

Has any decisions been made on which project shoud go ahead first e.t.c.?
Well there is no schedule yet - and to be honest there is also a fat chance that not all of these plans will become a reality by 2030.

The most urgent project is the complete reconstruction of metro line M3 - and while they are at it they will most likely extend it too. However it's a big and long process so it's possible that something like a short tram line extension will be finished before that.
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I like the interchange between M1 and tram 1.
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What will happen with the tram tracks to Mexicoi út?
The map says that they will still be there after the extension of metro line M1. However that station will only be the terminus of tram line 69 after tram line 3 will reach Béke tér and Árpád híd.
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Would line 60 on tram tracks require new trains? I of course understand that some extra trains would be required to run a longer line, but would the existing trains be able to run on "tram voltage"?
Yes, new trains will be purchased replacing the 41-year-old ones.
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Will the M1 extension use the track bed of todays tram line 14?
You probably meant the M3 extension And yes, some sections of tram line 14 were built in a way that the conversion from tram to metro traffic will require less - but of course not zero (just think of the third rails, signalling controls, etc.) - work.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #605
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I have please one question regarding the tram fleet - as new low-foor vehicles are supposed to come to Budapest, will there the T5C5 trams from Czechoslovakia scapped in high numbers?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #606
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I have please one question regarding the tram fleet - as new low-foor vehicles are supposed to come to Budapest, will there the T5C5 trams from Czechoslovakia scapped in high numbers?
IMO there is a bigger chance that they will reduce the number of old Ganz articulated tramcars in service.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #607
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Yes. Ganz ICSs will be scrapped, and Tatras probalby will be used on more lines, but I'm not sure about that because T5C5s are the widest (2500mm) trams in Budapest, which means they don't fit everywhere.

Order of scrapping in the distant future: Ganz ICS, Tatra T5C5, maybe KCSV (modernized ICS), maybe T5C5K (modernized T5C5), TW 6000.
But it will take decades.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #608
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A possible scenario will go like this:
12 of the 47 new trams will be 56 m long and these will go to line 1 but since the line will be extended to Fehérvári út and later on to Kelenföld vasútállomás the Tatras currently running on the line (or not running since most of the tracks are being refurbished at the moment) will be needed after that too.

35 of the new trams will be 34 m long and these will go to lines 3, 19 (including the former line 17) and 61. Now line 19 has Ganz articulated trams, double Tatras run on 61 and we have TW 6000s on line 3. So this means that after the arrival of the new trams we will see a change in the tram types running on other lines too.

IMO the extended line 19 will get 12 new trams, line 3 will get 11, and line 61 will get 12. The five Ganz cars assigned to line 19 will be scrapped and the six KCSVs from line 17 will go to line 49 (they will reduce its frequency due to the opening of the M4 metro line) so another 8 Ganz trams will be scrapped. The eleven TW 6000s can go to line 24 - and another eleven Ganzes will bite the dust.

Now the only question is what neverdie mentioned: aren't the Tatras too wide for some lines? We will get twelve double Tatras from line 61 and if everything goes well we can assign these to the extended line 41 (the most troublesome section of the track is the part below the Chain Bridge).

Again this is all my idea from the third paragraph, I don't know the official plans. The biggest flaw of this plan is that it will leave the remaining Ganz articulated trams on line 47 which run in the heart of the city. Personally I would start the modernisation there or on line 2 - but who knows maybe they are just waiting to get funds for the connection of lines 14 and 47/49 but that's a different story.

I used the data from villamosok.hu. I didn't take line 48 into account since it only runs on weekends. Note that other projects e.g. the extension of line 42 can change the picture too.

The current situation (disregarding the current refurbishment projects):

Ganz: lines 19, 24, 41, 47, 49
KCSV: lines 2, 17 (it will be "absorbed" by lines 19 and 41)
Tatra (T5C5 and T5C5 combined): lines 1, 1A, 12, 14, 18, 28*, 28A, 59, 59A, 61
TW 6000: lines 3, 28*, 37, 37A, 42, 50, 51, 51A, 62, 62A ,69
Combino: lines 4, 6

*shared with other tram types

After my plan:

CAF: lines 3*, 19, 61*
Ganz: line 47
KCSV: lines 2, 49
Tatra (T5C5 and T5C5 combined): lines 1, 1A, 12, 14, 18, 28*, 28A, 41, 59, 59A, 61*
TW 6000: lines 3*, 24, 28*, 37, 37A, 42, 50, 51, 51A, 62, 62A ,69
Combino: lines 4, 6

*shared with other tram types
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Old July 30th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #609
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What I really like about Budapest is the fact that you find ticket vending machines not just inside subway stations, but also at many tram stops. How's the expansion progress coming along in this regard?

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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:42 PM   #610
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What I really like about Budapest is the fact that you find ticket vending machines not just inside subway stations, but also at many tram stops. How's the expansion progress coming along in this regard?

Well they are planning to install 300 of these. As far as I can see it here, they only covered the Grand Boulevard, most metro stations (though line M1 is lagging behind a bit) and a few suburban railway stations (like the one in your photo) so far. It's a start but a lot more will be installed in the near future.

BTW the new FUTÁR information screens are also useful when you want to know the standing of the world cup final...

..or the water polo EC:
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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:05 PM   #611
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I wonder, how cool would it be to build this station only with black and white (plus grey) colors.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:57 AM   #614
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Thankfully the days of building such things as utilitarian as possible are over. Budapest metro is an excellent example, but not the only one.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 08:43 PM   #615
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-The most important tram-related development will be the (re)introduction of tram tracks from the outer parts of District XV all the way to the city center
And that's the coolest project of all. Yet it is strange that there's no connection further west through az Erzsébet híd as it was earlier planned...
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Erzsébet híd, the bridge itself, is AFAIK not buildt to handle tram traffic. The reason is AFAIK that Metro 2 (together with the trams on Szabadság híd) were supposed to be the main public transportation link between central Buda and central Pest.

I don't know what differs between a "tram and road" bridge and a "only road" bridge, and I don't know what it would cost to convert the bridge to "tram and road".

If there were tram tracks on the bridge, how would the line map look like?
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Old August 24th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #617
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Erzsébet híd, the bridge itself, is AFAIK not buildt to handle tram traffic. The reason is AFAIK that Metro 2 (together with the trams on Szabadság híd) were supposed to be the main public transportation link between central Buda and central Pest.

I don't know what differs between a "tram and road" bridge and a "only road" bridge, and I don't know what it would cost to convert the bridge to "tram and road".

If there were tram tracks on the bridge, how would the line map look like?
Not true. Elisabeth Bridge served - after its rebuilt in 1964 - 8 years long, up to 1972 more tram lines, like lines 19, 44, 60, 68. Tram traffic was stopped after opening 2nd section of M2 in 1972.

A shot with trams in 1970
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Official development plans 2014-2020 (Balázs Mór Plan - map was already posted by nbcee )



Yellow is tram, red, blue and green are M2, M3, M4. Other colors reresent S-Bahn S5, S6, S7, S8 and S9 (in Hungarian: railway for local interest, helxyiérdekű vasút ==> short name: H5, H6, H7. H8 and H9.

Tram 1 will be longer up to Kelenföld Station in the south and Aranyvölgy (Golden Valley) station in the north.
Tram 2 will be longer at north up to M3 station Gyöngyösi u. (Gyöngyösi street)
Tram 3 will be longer to M3 station Árpád-híd (Árpád bridge)
Trams 14 and 47 will be connected across Bajcsy-Zsilinszky Avenue
Tramline on Rákóczi út (-avenue) - Tkököly út (-avenue) will be rebuilt and prolongated to Újpalota City center
Tram 42 will be prolongated on the south towards Gloriette
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Not true. Elisabeth Bridge served - after its rebuilt in 1964 - 8 years long, up to 1972 more tram lines, like lines 19, 44, 60, 68. Tram traffic was stopped after opening 2nd section of M2 in 1972.

Sorry, my fault. It was the tracks that was improper to the bridge:

Lost rails of Budapest: the Erzsébet híd (Elisabeth bridge)

"It wasn't a streight deal whether trams would go on the new bridge or not: according early plans, subway line M2 should have been ready before the new Erzsébet híd, so they thought there would be no need for tracks on the bridge. However, by the end of the fifties it was clear that the underground line will not be ready in time. What now? They altered the plans, and put temporary tram tracks onto the bridge. "Temporary" means that it was not built out properly, that is the way a track on a cable-bridge is supposed to. It was more of a patch, and this was bad, because some of the trams riding on these tracks later were damaging the whole bridge because of the unproper tracks!"
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As you may know two important tram lines are undergoing reconstruction. Let's see how things will look after tomorrow*.

red: section still under reconstruction
orange: new section under construction
green: already reconstructed section
dashed yellow: planned section


http://www.bkk.hu/2014/08/forgalomba...n-es-kobanyan/

*Or after next weekend in the case of the section of tram line 1 between Puskás Ferenc Stadion and Közvágóhíd.
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