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Old September 16th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #641
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However the M3 line must be reconstructed as soon as possible.
I wonder if it would be cheaper to order new trains. If there is such huge amount of necessary overhauling imho it would be better to opt for trains with less energy consumption, less maintainance and all possibilities for modern transport like modern ATP or ATO-mode, passenger information, fire-safety etc..

But do they have some of the russioan trains dating back from around 2000? The train in the picture looks rather used.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 10:15 PM   #642
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I don't know anything about what exactly will be done to the M3 trains, but in general you can for example replace old control equipment with fixed steps and resistor braking to some electronic control equipment with stepless acceleration/breaking and regenerative beaking.

For example the M31 trams in Gothenburg, Sweden, is getting new traction electronics. Some company in Czech republic is doing this work. This example may not be perfect as the trams already had electronic traction control and regenerative breaking, but the point is that they throw out the old traction control and install new. (In this case it's partially because it's hard to get replacement parts for the old thyristor chopper stuff).

A classic DC motor requires more maintenance than new asynchronous AC motors, they are also more heavy and a bit less efficient.

But the difference is so small that it's not worth replacing the motors or a whole wehicle if the wehicle is structurally in good condition and if the motor is in good shape.

AFAIK M3 runs almost entirely underground (except the last station and depot at the southern end) and thus I guess that rust is probably not a big problem.

If the basic construction is good and if the wehicles don't have big rust problems it's probably worth to refurbish them forever.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:13 PM   #643
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A tegnapi napon több írás jelent meg a Nyugati téri felüljáró felújításával kapcsolatosan. Fontosnak tartjuk tisztázni a megindított közbeszerzési eljárások hátterét, mivel több fórumon téves következtetések jelentek meg a BKK eljárásával kapcsolatosan.
A Főváros közlekedésszervezőjeként a BKK feltételes, nyílt közbeszerzési eljárást írt ki 2014 augusztusában az elmúlt években előkészített villamos- és trolibuszhálózat fejlesztési projektekről, többek között a Bajcsy-Zsilinszky úti és Váci úti villamosvonal kiépítéséről. A projekt megvalósítása annak függvénye, hogy a Főváros részesülhet-e európai uniós fejlesztési forrásokban a következő években a villamoshálózat fejlesztésére. Az erről szóló politikai és szakpolitikai vita széles körben ismert a közvélemény előtt. A beruházások tervezésén és előkészítésén a Főváros azonban továbbra is dolgozik, bízva abban, hogy végül a beruházások megkapják a szükséges támogatásokat.
A BKK által a folyó közbeszerzési eljárásban kiválasztandó nyertes tervező feladata lesz a Bajcsy-Zsilinszky úton és a Váci úton vezetett villamos engedélyezési és kiviteli terveinek elkészítése, illetve a kivitelezéshez szükséges mindennemű engedély megszerzése. A tervezés részeként a szerződés hatályba lépését követően szinte azonnal, a 40. napig a tervező feladata lesz egy több szempontú elemzés készítése a Nyugati tér pontos kialakításáról, melyben városépítészeti és forgalmi szempontokat is figyelembe veszünk. A megvalósíthatósági tanulmány szerint, melyet a BKK már elkészíttetett, a villamosközlekedés Bajcsy-Zsilinszky úton történő visszaállítása mind a Nyugati téri felüljáró elbontása, mind annak megtartása esetén megoldható, ezért a felüljáró jövőjének eldöntése érdekében részletes forgalmi és városépítészeti vizsgálatokra, elemzésekre van szükség. A belvárosból kifelé vezető közúti kapacitás csökken a felüljáró elbontása esetén, mely a délutáni csúcsidőben a Bajcsy-Zsilinszky úton a másik irányban már ismert torlódások megjelenését hozza magával - ugyanakkor, városképi szempontból kétségtelenül előnyösebb lenne a felüljáró elbontása és a Nyugati tér nagyvonalúbb köztérré történő átépítése.
Amennyiben az elemzés alapján a felüljáró elbontása mellett dönt a városvezetés, úgy a villamos tervezőjének feladata lesz a felüljáró bontási tervének elkészítése. Döntés a részletes forgalmi és városképi vizsgálat elkészültét követően, 2015 első felében várható.
A felüljáró azonban nincs jó állapotban. A 2011. évi BKK Közút által végzett fővizsgálat jegyzőkönyvében leírtak szerint a felszerkezetet alkotó előre gyártott elemek és az el nem takart alépítmények állapota arra enged következtetni, hogy az alsó kábelek is károsodhattak, így indokolt sürgősen feltárni valamennyi hibát, és azokat teljes körűen kijavítani. Ez alapján a BKK, mint a fővárosi közlekedési műtárgyak kezeléséért és rendeltetésszerű használatáért felelős szervezet megkezdte a felüljáró felújítása megtervezésének előkészítését, ez a tervezési kiírás jelent meg a minap az Európai Unió Hivatalos Lapjában. A távlati elképzelésekre való tekintettel a teljes felújítás melletti alternatívaként a műtárgy kiváltása (elbontása) esetén az elbontásáig szükséges állapotmegőrzésre és karbantartásra irányuló beavatkozásokat is megterveztetjük, a közúti forgalom közlekedésbiztonsága érdekében.
A két tervezési kiírás tehát teljesen összhangban van egymással: amennyiben a forgalmi, városépítészeti vizsgálatok alapján a felüljáró elbontható és a villamosvonal kiépítésére európai uniós forrásokat kap a Főváros, úgy csak az elbontásig szükséges állapotmegőrzése és karbantartásra irányuló beavatkozások valósulnak csak meg. Amennyiben a felüljáróra a vizsgálatok alapján távlatban is szükség van, illetve források híján a villamosvonal kiépítése ellehetetlenül, úgy a felüljáró állapotára is tekintettel a megrendelt tervek alapján megtörténhet a felüljáró teljes felújítása.
A BKK tehát a Főváros közútkezelőjeként és közlekedésszervezőjeként felelősen, minden lehetséges szempontot mérlegelve járt és jár el a Nyugati téri felüljáróval kapcsolatban.

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Trolleybus route prolongement? What projected route?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:38 PM   #644
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I wonder if it would be cheaper to order new trains. If there is such huge amount of necessary overhauling imho it would be better to opt for trains with less energy consumption, less maintainance and all possibilities for modern transport like modern ATP or ATO-mode, passenger information, fire-safety etc..

But do they have some of the russioan trains dating back from around 2000? The train in the picture looks rather used.
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AFAIK M3 runs almost entirely underground (except the last station and depot at the southern end) and thus I guess that rust is probably not a big problem.

If the basic construction is good and if the wehicles don't have big rust problems it's probably worth to refurbish them forever.
They said that refurbishing these trains will be cheaper than buying new ones. Even with this in mind I think they should have chosen the latter option but that's just my personal opinion.

As for the age of the rolling stock, we have Ev3 trains from the seventies and 81-714/717s from the eighties (and a few from the early nineties). A few Russian cars arrived in the year 2000 and to my knowledge at the moment only one 6-car train runs on the M3 line which consists of those.

And yes, the only overground section of the line is between the two southernmost stations. However if they will extend the line in the north, that section will be mostly above ground too.
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Trolleybus route prolongement? What projected route?
They haven't specified it yet. All I know is that they plan to buy more trolleybuses which are able to operate without wires which means they will have lots of possibilities.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 01:04 PM   #645
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Some aspect about trolleybus network.

1. Why don't electrified the new route Karpat utca - Revesz utca? The trolleybuses with auxilary engine to be utilised on 70/78 route



2. Some wires on Hungaria krt. was dismantled (old route of no. 75). No chance to be "rerouted" with trolleybuses (I know, tram 1 is here)?

Some new films, Baross ter - Kerepesi ut - Keleti palyaudvar:

Baross ter, 612.



Baross ter, 702, 273, FLR-710, BPO-853.



Kerepesi ut -> Keleti palyaudvar, 259.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 04:59 PM   #646
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For example the M31 trams in Gothenburg, Sweden, is getting new traction electronics. Some company in Czech republic is doing this work. This example may not be perfect as the trams already had electronic traction control and regenerative breaking, but the point is that they throw out the old traction control and install new. (In this case it's partially because it's hard to get replacement parts for the old thyristor chopper stuff).
It´s probably Cegelec which has done that to Berlins GT6 for the same reason. Obsolescence of spare parts for old chopper or GTO-Thyristors. This will be a big problem for every operator in the future.

As you said, it´s proven several times, that substitution of DC-Motors with aynchronous 3-phase AC turns out not to be effective during the lasting lifespan of the motor-car.

It´s more the weight of russian cars, that is nearly twice heavier than an ordinary new train of today. This truly is a point of energy-consumption.

Russian cars are very solid but they require more maintainance. As Warsaw M1 was split into 2 parts due to construction of M2, the russian cars went to Kabaty part because they have to be checked very often.

But to be fair: They have to checked very often and failures are simple to fix. Modern cars have longer intervals in maintainance but if something is wrong, it´s really much worser.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #647
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Some aspect about trolleybus network.
Baross ter, 702, 273, FLR-710, BPO-853.


The 80 should be a trolley route, why is a dieseasel plowing the 80?

Are you the one who also posted the 70, 78 backing video on the Yahoo trolley-bus group?
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They said that refurbishing these trains will be cheaper than buying new ones. Even with this in mind I think they should have chosen the latter option but that's just my personal opinion.
When Skoda rebuilt the Russian cars for the Prague network they found the job was hell because every car was a different shape and size and it was hard to standardise anything. So, to the contrary, it would be a very expensive exercise.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #649
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The 80 should be a trolley route, why is a dieseasel plowing the 80?

Are you the one who also posted the 70, 78 backing video on the Yahoo trolley-bus group?
1. Works on Keleti pu



2. Of course
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Old September 28th, 2014, 09:11 AM   #650
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Kossuth Lajos ter.

1343, 1327, 1344



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1343



Kossuth Lajos ter - Szechenyi rakpart.

1353, 1335

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Old September 28th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #651
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Architectural short movie about the Fővám and Gellért stations on the new metro line 4 designed by sporaarchitects.
They won the first prize of the ARCHITIZER A+AWARDS 2014 in Transport + Infrastructure category.

For english subtitle click on the “CC” button and choose “english”.

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Old September 29th, 2014, 10:33 AM   #652
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Seems that Budapest purchased 10 more URBOS CAF trams from the 87 extension of their initial contract with CAF.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...mber-2014.html
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Budapest awards €91m fare collection system contract
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HUNGARY: Budapest transport authority BKK has awarded Scheidt & Bachmann a €91m five-year contract to design, supply and manage an automated multi-modal fare collection system. The European Bank for Reconstruction & Development is providing €54·5m to finance the project, and the municipality HF5·3bn.

Scheidt & Bachmann and its Hong Kong-based subcontractor Octopus Transactions are to install 10 000 validators on 2 500 vehicles, as well as almost 800 access gates at metro and suburban stations. More than 1·5 million personal or anonymous smart cards are to be issued, and it is estimated that nearly 9 million single-use paper tickets with a NFC interface will be sold in the first year. There will be online and mobile phone ticket purchasing options, and contactless bank cards will also be accepted

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A few shots from Budapest metro (from 5:30)

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Old November 8th, 2014, 10:47 AM   #655
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Some updates

Extension works of tram line 1:







New bus stop sign design introduced at Ferenciek tere:


Contruction works of the interconnected Buda tram lines project have begun at Batthyány square:


and the first Volvo 7900 Hybrid bus arrived as well:





https://www.facebook.com/bkkbudapest...=page_internal
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Various news

The long time badly needed bus fleet renewal program continues with 82+45 Man Lion's city A21 Euro 6 solo buses, 132 Mercedes Conecto G Euro 6 articulated buses and with 24+84 Skoda-Solaris trolleybuses as well.

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Overview of Budapest's new bikesharing system which is one of the most advanced in the region:



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200 new vending ticket machines have been installed so far throughout the city, 100 to follow soon.



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FUTÁR project have been completed, live passanger information systems now fully operational.




Live informations available on:

- BKK's own route planner: http://futar.bkk.hu
- Google Maps: http://maps.google.com

Smartphone applications:

- Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...valto.bkkfutar
- iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/hu/app/bkk-...916193835?mt=8
- Windows Phone: http://www.windowsphone.com/hu-hu/st...c-9f6b9b42470e
- Waze integration coming soon
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