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Old March 19th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #721
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The question arises, will the new Thököly line take away passangers from line 69?

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Old March 20th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #722
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Well, congratulations Budapest with new route 1 extension from Közvágóhíd to Etele út/Fehérvári út - updated map from urbanrail.net:

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Old March 20th, 2015, 06:11 PM   #723
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What's up with Batthyány Tér - Margit híd and northwards along tram line 17 on that map?
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Old March 20th, 2015, 08:42 PM   #724
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What's up with Batthyány Tér - Margit híd and northwards along tram line 17 on that map?
Those sections are part of the "Interconnected Tram Network in Buda" project which is in progress.

Between Batthyány tér and Margit híd, HÉV tunnel is being reinforced to endure the load of the new tram track:




Track of line 17 is being rebuilt from scratch:



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Old March 20th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #725
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Some pictures from the new section of tram line #1.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #726
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Some pictures from the new section of tram line #1.
One of those pictures did not have a tram.

Anyway, here is an article on the recent tram extension and future tram developments in the Hungarian capital.

http://hungarytoday.hu/cikk/lengthen...-traffic-78011
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Old March 20th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #727
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Those sections are part of the "Interconnected Tram Network in Buda" project which is in progress.

Between Batthyány tér and Margit híd, HÉV tunnel is being reinforced to endure the load of the new tram track:

Track of line 17 is being rebuilt from scratch:
Interesting, thanks for the info!

So, shall I read between the lines that HÉV 5 will stay this way for the forseable future?

The above construction work would be wasted if they would go ahead with the ideas of rerouting it in a tunnel to Pest side and connect it to HÉV lines 6 and 7. Also if that plan would go ahead then it would probably be better to use the HÉV tunnel for trams instead of mixing trams with road traffic.
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There are plans about connecting H5 with H6 and H7 by a tunnel through the city center but it will surely not be built until the mid 2020's.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 12:12 AM   #729
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So the tunnel reinforcement is only going to be "used" for about 10 years?

Perhaps there is something more to this, for example that the reinforcement isn't that expensive and/or that it's needed anyway for the tunnel to keep being able to handle current road wehicle weight.

Or are there plans to somehow use both a new and the old HÉV line at the same time?
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So the tunnel reinforcement is only going to be "used" for about 10 years?
At least. But it may be significantly more.

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Perhaps there is something more to this, for example that the reinforcement isn't that expensive and/or that it's needed anyway for the tunnel to keep being able to handle current road wehicle weight.
Currently there are parking places at the top of it (I mean, there had been, before the current works began). But actually those works are quite cheap and are necessary for the tram construction. No one will wait 10-20 years just because there are some chances that sometimes this HÉV line will be closed.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 12:20 AM   #731
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So the tunnel reinforcement is only going to be "used" for about 10 years?

Perhaps there is something more to this, for example that the reinforcement isn't that expensive and/or that it's needed anyway for the tunnel to keep being able to handle current road wehicle weight.

Or are there plans to somehow use both a new and the old HÉV line at the same time?
If they ever gonna start building the "North-south regional rapid railway" (or M5) they will most likely do it in two phases, the first being the southern section of it: basically connecting H6 and H7 and building a tunnel for them that will get them to Astoria through Kálvin tér (this is also part of the Balázs Mór Plan):

http://www.vonatosszeallitas.hu/fejlesztes_2020.html

The northern section (Between Astoria and H5) will come only after this phase will be finished. And even if it becomes a reality, I don't see why they should necessarily get rid of the branch going to Batthyány tér as well
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:36 PM   #732
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If they ever gonna start building the "North-south regional rapid railway" (or M5) they will most likely do it in two phases, the first being the southern section of it: basically connecting H6 and H7 and building a tunnel for them that will get them to Astoria through Kálvin tér (this is also part of the Balázs Mór Plan):

http://www.vonatosszeallitas.hu/fejlesztes_2020.html

The northern section (Between Astoria and H5) will come only after this phase will be finished. And even if it becomes a reality, I don't see why they should necessarily get rid of the branch going to Batthyány tér as well
The M5 would fundamentally change the city's transportation system and its impact would also be tremendous on the surface, relieving some of the heavily used trams not to mention the direct connection between the suburbs and central areas. However, knowing that the Orban administration is dead against any metro extension, its future is as distant as it was 20 years ago.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:41 PM   #733
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The M5 would fundamentally change the city's transportation system and its impact would also be tremendous on the surface, relieving some of the heavily used trams not to mention the direct connection between the suburbs and central areas. However, knowing that the Orban administration is dead against any metro extension, its future is as distant as it was 20 years ago.
Well, the southern section of NSRRR/M5, the northern extension of M3, the extension of M1 from both ends (though I admit that this line is rather an LRT than a metro due to its capacity) and the merger of M2 and H8/9 are also part of the Balázs Mór plan...
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 02:21 PM   #734
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Well, the southern section of NSRRR/M5, the northern extension of M3, the extension of M1 from both ends (though I admit that this line is rather an LRT than a metro due to its capacity) and the merger of M2 and H8/9 are also part of the Balázs Mór plan...
Basically, The M5 what i would rather call HEV, would be our Vienna or Munich S-bahn " Stammstreche" which has a lot more potencial then people think.
As for the so called "Balazs Mor plan", (i don't even know why we have to name a plan it doesn't make any sense) it doesn't include the extension of M4 and the shameful decision to build a tram instead which is far less effective,
contradicts all the metro extension plans set forth in it. What Budapest needs is a massive metro extension as the outskirts are poory served. It would wipe out unnecessary bus and tram rides, cutting travel times significantly, what's more it would lead to surface rehabilitations and property developments alongside the new routes.
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 10:21 PM   #735
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What about new tram connections between Keleti and Erzsébet híd? And between Deák Ferenc tér and Váci út?
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 10:31 PM   #736
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What about new tram connections between Keleti and Erzsébet híd? And between Deák Ferenc tér and Váci út?
Both are part of the Balázs Mór plan (except for the tram connection between Astoria and Erzsébet híd). Though neither was part of the extensions announced last week. Though (again ) the tram connection between Újpalota and Keleti will most likely be followed by the Astoria-Keleti section at some point.
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Old March 24th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #737
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Is M4 still running with drivers on the trains?
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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:08 AM   #738
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Is M4 still running with drivers on the trains?
M4 is about to obtain highest grade certifications this weekend, therefore driverless operation scheduled to begin in mid-April.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:06 AM   #739
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Well done Budapest with the new tram lines.
Just getting on with the job.
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